Talk:Toledo, Ohio

Unverified image
Anyone care to investigate whether the image in this article from ohiobiz.com is legit permission? -- user:zanimum
 * I won't bother. Instead, I've uploaded an image of Toledo's skyline from the United States Coast Guard (specifically, the Marine Safety Office in Toledo).  As this came from the USCG, it's in the public domain per Wikipedia's copyright tags.  I replaced the image in the article with the USCG image. -- SwissCelt 07:54, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

History
The new history section needs some major work done to it. I put in it only what was in the article before the WikiProject Cities transformation. -- SwissCelt 10:39, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

The article says the city was founded in 1794, ten years after the Battle of Fallen Timbers, but that battle was itself in 1794 (according to its own article). Which is right? Rojomoke 16:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The date of the battle was August 20, 1794 and the battle site is between Maumee and Waterville. Toledo was incorporated on January 7, 1837 with the merger of two earlier villages- Port Lawrence and Vistula. Musicwriter (talk)!~ —Preceding undated comment added 03:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC).

Question: There is a source that says the city was incorporated in 1836. I've not verified where that site received its info but pointing it out for further digging. I've always heard 1837 so the year off is strange. --CharlieGrammar (talk) 15:43, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

First at all the city was founded by the first Spaniard. In fact Toledo was the Spain Capital when this city was founded in this honour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.57.2.65 (talk) 09:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

What about Crime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.67.245.192 (talk) 07:10, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Most populous
SwissCelt the wording about the most populous Toledo in the world is misleading. At first I thought you were implying that Toledo was the most populous city in the world, and was ready to revert it. --UltraSkuzzi 12:54, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, how about "most populous of the cities named Toledo"? -- SwissCelt 14:18, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Medical College of Ohio
If the name of this institution is wrong, the article to which this links should be moved to the correct name. Editing the wiki only results in a broken (red) wiki. -- SwissCelt 23:43, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Toledo War
It was not "bad surveying" that led to the dispute that led to MI-OH "war". It had to do with the history of the instructions about where the state line should be. I'll fix it when I can.

Jeeb 22:05, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Toledo riot?
There are three topics in the History section--founding, Toledo War, and today's riot. To suggest these are remotely on par is, frankly, bizarre. Either the riot should be in a separate section for "Recent events" or some such, or it shouldn't be discussed at all. Chick Bowen 04:31, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I put the "flux" template on the riot section, so that it could be vetted somewhat by the Wikipedia community. I think adding such a section now is extremely premature (curfew only took effect less than five hours ago, for crying out loud!), but I'm not ready to remove the section yet unless/until this proves to be a tempest in a teapot.  And frankly, I have a hunch it will be.  (Needless to say, I'm not the one who added the section in the first place.) -- SwissCelt 04:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

P.S.: The Wikipedian who posted this section might consider adding information to Wikinews instead of Wikipedia at this early hour. -- SwissCelt 04:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree that the prominence of this section is out of line with the rest of the article. It should little more that a footnote in the city's history.  --rogerd 02:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

This article cited by WTOL
The website of WTOL television carries an item about the Wikipedia article about Toledo: http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4664465. Thanks to those of you who've worked on the article, someone at the station found it informative and worth mentioning. JamesMLane t c 07:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Federal Writers Project?
It is unclear what portion of the text is being attributed to the federal writers' project. Is the first paragraph of the history section directly quoted from that project? This paragraph ends with a quote mark with no matching start quote mark. I'd like to make some minor changes to the paragraph, but not if it's a direct quote. Norman314 03:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Tax Abatement???
Maybe someone can start an article on it. I don't know much about Jeep or Toledo. but if a case makes it all the way to the Supreme Court it's got to be somewhat important

Revisiting the Toledo Riot
I'm ready to delete this section unless someone can give a compelling reason for including it in this main article about Toledo. Just a few months later, it seems this event has no lasting effect upon the city, and thus does not have any notable historical perspective. -- SwissCelt 18:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it would be a mistake to delete the North Toledo riot. While perhaps an eyesore for the community, the riot highlighted racial tensions that have existed, and also demonstrated the power of a small group of racists to provoke a large riot.  Also, as a Toledo resident, I respectfully disagree with the statement that the riot "has no lasting effect on the city."  Groups continue to work to repair the wounds torn open by this event.-- historymike 23:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not so much that it's an eyesore as the section, as currently written, doesn't indicate the event's notability. Could you rewrite the section to show how the event continues to affect Toledo?  I'm just a former resident, so I would not be as able to research sources which prove this as you are.  Thanks! -- SwissCelt 16:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Rail Transportation
This part of the article needs to have the data contained within in put in a table or deleted as the current text sounds a bit like a train train timeable rather than an encyclopedic piece relevent to the article. Although addition of historical evidence would make it a worthwhile part of the article The addition of an explanation about other transportation facilities in the area. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rvwedd (talk • contribs) 09:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

The Lost Peninsula of Monroe County, Michigan
Does the city of Toledo separate the "Lost Peninsula" that is politically part of Monroe County, Michigan from the rest of Monroe County--i.e., to get from the Lost Peninsula to any other part of Monroe County, you must travel through Lucas County, Ohio to do so. Or is the part of Ohio that separates the Lost Peninsula from the rest of Monroe County part of the City of Oregon, Ohio or an unincorporated part of Lucas County? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.86.240.151 (talk) 14:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC).


 * I am not sure. I will look and try my best to find out. --wpktsfs 18:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that the Lost Peninsula is a part of Monroe County, whereas it is in Michigan. This is, however, a guess. --wpktsfs 00:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Notable residents
I'd be curious as to if others believe Ted Kurt or Jeff Kurt are "notable" residents of Toledo or the area. They were recently added. One is claimed to be a "famed health care lawyer;" both are Kentucky colonels, as claimed. Any feedback? .
 * If indeed they are Kentucky colonels, I believe they are notable. --wpktsfs 18:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * They have been removed, whereas, the community decided they are not notable. --wpktsfs 20:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wpktsfs -- I'd be curious as to how that was decided? Who is the community? Was there a vote? Asking more as a point of education than anything else. I'm from Toledo and had not heard of either gentlemen, so agree with the decision. --Miked918 20:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Climate
"The coldest temperature ever recorded was -16°F (-27°C), on January 21, 1985." But, if you look on the chart, it shows -20°F as a record low in January.Kaw in stl 15:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Reverts
I recently reverted edits done by the ip address 12.9.181.193. The reason for doing so was the fact that I did not feel that the editor was editing with a neutral point of view, also, none of the content added was sourced. Please feel free to re-add the information in a NPOV, sourced condition. Any questions, please contact my talk page. --wpktsfs 22:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent reversion. I was watching the page to see if anyone would (I'm a little gun shy, new to this). Douglasmtaylor 17:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Organization
I am impressed with the organization of Toledo, navigational pages, etc. I haven't read the material but the structure deserves top billing! Why isn't everyone copying you guys? Student7 00:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

TomKat
Just a question in general. I agree that Ottawa Hills = Toledo. Whereas, for instance, I did not agree that Bowling Green = Toledo (and hence removed Scott Hamilton). The list of notable residents is overlong anyway. But on the question of Cruise. . . was he really a resident or a visitor? I couldn't find a reference in The Blade, though I looked. Are there published standards for residency on Wikipedia?  Into The Fray  T / C  15:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Pardon, but Ottawa Hills is not the same as Toledo. See Image:Map of Lucas County Ohio With Municipal and Township Labels.PNG: unless Ottawa Hills has been annexed by Toledo since the map was created (2000), it is distinct.  See the US census results for Ottawa Hills: it's a distinct entity according to that.  A claim that someone from Ottawa Hills is from Toledo is a claim that Ottawa Hills is a part of Toledo, which it plainly isn't.  Nyttend 16:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. While I agree that Toledo and Ottawa Hills are two separate municipalities, I think it is fair to include notable residents from cities and their suburbs, which Ottawa Hills definitely is considering that it is completely surrounded by Toledo.  From your edit summary: "(Rv: if I live in Rhode Island, am I a resident of Massachusetts? If I were born in San Marino, would I be a native of Italy? These are distinct municipalities; OHills isn't a part of Toledo)".  That's a little different, considering that Rhode Island is a State and so is Massachusetts.  San Marino and Italy are two separate countries, though I do understand the gist of what you're saying.  I'm just curious to see this opened for discussion, rather than an edit war erupting over it and I'm more concerned about calling Cruise a resident of either, period.  Would you agree that Ottawa Hills is at least a suburb of Toledo?   Into The Fray   T / C  16:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * To be sure, Ottawa Hills is a distinct municpality, in fact a village organizaed under Ohio law. That said, the standard for inclusion on Notable Residents lists is not the legal distinction but the common sense understanding.  The concept referred to as Toledo includes both the mucipality and its suburbs, including those in at least three additional counties in northwest Ohio and even in another state.  I'm not here to debate the merits of Cruise's inclusion on the list, since he barely resided there at all.  But, if he's considered a resident of metro Toledo at all, he should be mentioned here.  --Ssbohio 21:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, he was a resident. It was actually just a block from me, haha, but since I can't use WP:OR here, I have to use The Village Voice as a reference. There was actually an entire article about it this summer, and how they for sure lived here. There were several first hand accounts and personal research by the editors. I cannot remember the exact month of the publication, but if that's imperative to include it in the article, I can email the publishers for the exact date (and maybe another copy of the article?) hmwith  talk  22:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nooooo, I don't think that's necessary. I'll WP:AGF, but I think it's probably a fine line between a visit and residency.  ;)  Cheers,  Into The Fray   T / C  23:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess I consider buying a home as residency. I mean, I know celebrities own about 847632 homes each, haha, but they'd stay there for amounts of time. Celebrities don't really have one residence, which makes it difficult. =) hmwith  talk  23:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, semantics. But it's perfectly possible to own real estate without being a resident.  I own a house in Toledo, but live in New York, for instance. Check this:  out sometime.  Great resource on Lucas County real estate.  Cheers and happy editing!   Into The Fray   T / C  23:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

(unindenting) Well, I don't think we should list metro area residents here (such could be put on a metro area page), but you all seem to have consensus otherwise :-) I've retitled the list to make it more accurate.  Nyttend 02:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

The Village of Ottawa Hills has its own mayor, its own police and fire departments, but no US Post Office. Residents there bear the address 'Toledo, Ohio 43606'. In the early days of Adams Township there were two unincorporated villages there; Richards, which was on Richards Road at the railroad crossing (then an interurban line). A 1908 survey map shows a post office at that locus. The other village was named Joy and was farther west on Brittany Road. Today, an early cemetery that bears the name of Joy can be seen behind St. Michaels In The Hills Episcopal Church.

It's interesting to note that the stream that flows through Ottawa Hills is called the Ottawa River but farther upstream, in the city of Sylvania, it is called Tenmile Creek. Musicwriter (talk) 18:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Toledo article summary
The final line of the Toledo summary seems to be added soley for the benefit of singer/songwriter Danny Michel. As a Toledo native, I can name several recordings that are about or named after Toledo by more prominant figures (John Denver, Elvis Costello, George Carlin), but fail to see how any of them are important enough to be mentioned in the initial introduction. Perhaps a separate section of pop cultural Toledo references is needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.199.148 (talk) 03:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Wi-Fi plan
The sentences about the city's Wifi plan probably need updating. Most municipal "free" wi-fi plans around the United States have proven to be non-viable. This article in July 2007, indicates the Mayor has reversed course. Note 3 link points to a page on a city web server that no longer exists. Perhaps someone from Toledo who sees more of the locally available information can provide an update?StreamingRadioGuide 21:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

contested statement removed

 * The city also shares climatic characteristics with the Ohio Valley, such as slightly warmer winters and increased precipitation that is more evenly spread throughout the year.

Please do not return this information to the article without a citation.-- Birgitte SB  14:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Toledo
I wanted to join a wikiproject for toledo being a college student from the area and realized there is none, so I proposed one here. All interested are encouraged to add their name to the list. Hopefully we can get this going soon!!!

I also created a userbox for toledo residents. It's my first attempt at a Userbox but it looks like it works...--Bhockey10 (talk) 00:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

2020 Olympics?
I've heard this from friends, and from this cite, but I cannot find a reliable source for this. Is there a real source for this or is it just a rumor? Mwv2 (talk) 23:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

It appears this statement has been removed, so was it just a rumor? Mwv2 (talk) 14:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Colleges & Universities
Recently a new university can be now included to the list. Herzing U. has a one-building campus located at N. Reynolds Road and Hill Avenue. Herzing presently has eight campusues in the U.S. and four in Canada. Musicwriter (talk) 03:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Population
The two refs for population were either unreadable or broken. I put in the ref for the 2007 revised figure, and updated the density. The revised figure does not include a number for the metro area, so I'm not sure if the number given in the infobox is 2000, 2007, or 2007 revised. I left it alone. Rees11 (talk) 03:26, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The infobox metro figure (650,955) was for the 2007 MSA estimate; I've added a reference there and a duplicate reference for the same figure in the article's introduction. I'm not sure where the introduction's CSA number comes from, (as you said, the link is either broken or dead) but I'll check around and add a reference for it if I find one.  Alexius  Horatius 03:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I found a reference for the CSA figure (711,952), and replaced the broken one in the article. (The population figures are a bit hard to read, but it's in there.) Alexius  Horatius 03:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, maybe this will put an end to the population figure edit wars. Rees11 (talk) 11:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Split "Notable Persons" into its own article

 * This is list takes up nearly a quarter of the article and is on its own right already longer then most wikipedia articles. Should it be a separate article now? Im thinking something of "Toledo has been home several notable people in the fields of art and entertainment, sports, business and many others" then below that have a link to a new article "notable citizens from Toledo, Ohio" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.121.11 (talk) 06:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Good idea, and I see other cities handle their lists in the same way. Rees11 (talk) 14:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Completely agree that the list should be split off. It's far too detailed and long for an article like this. ( Probably should be named List of people from Toledo, Ohio, by what I've seen from other articles, although there may be other naming options/conventions I'm not aware of.)  Alexius  Horatius 14:22, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * There is detailed information on how to summary style on WP:SUMMARY.  hmwith  τ   14:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅, but both the new article and the section in this article need a lot of work.  hmwith  τ   14:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks good - A few things that I've come across that seem to work well for the expansion of the summarized section in this article include limiting it to only 3-4 people per area (3-4 most famous athletes, etc.) and limiting it to what is sourced. Also, it probably looks/reads/works the best when there is at least some prose added in addition to the names. (Saying "Toledo has produced a number of famous artists, such as actors A,B,C, and authors DEF. Famous athletes from the city include G,H,I... etc. In other words, it's best to try to avoid doing this, as nobody is going to read something like that.) For the new list article, adding a couple free images per section looks nice, too. (I won't be doing much in regard to either the section here or the list there, as I'm not too familiar with the city ... just some general tips I've come across when it comes to "listy" sections.) Alexius  Horatius 15:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. I didn't have time when creating the article, and was hoping it would be improved eventually. Maybe I'll make some of these changes now. Thanks,  hmwith  τ   16:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Done and done.  hmwith  τ   17:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Clearly the "Notable residents" section is in danger of growing out of hand. I have removed everyone who doesn't have a Wikipedia article with at least a half dozen references, or isn't an Olympic or Hall of Fame athlete. Rees11 (talk) 02:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Moved major portion of introduction to "Economy"

 * While business and industry is very much an important part of this city, it is not the ONLY important part as the introduction makes it appear. Furthermore, several other city's pages don't include its major businesses in its introduction. If detroit's doesn't mention Ford, GM, and the others, toledo's porbably shoulndt mention Jeep. One the downside, the intro is now rather short. Maybe we include something like "toledo is a city well known for its industry (especially in glass and auto parts production), art community, and local sports teams" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsinger123 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Uh, I'm kinda sure Detroit's article must mention the auto companies at some point. Also, having a major company founded in a smaller city like Toledo is more significant to its subject than having a major company founded in a large city. That would be like doing an article on LA without mentioning the film business. The Person Who Is Strange 03:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The Detroit article does mention the auto industry in the intro but does not name the companies. LA mentions the film industry but does not name the companies. And now Toledo mentions the auto industry but does not name the companies. I think moving the text to "Economy" was the right thing to do. Rees11 (talk) 12:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It does deserve mentioning, but you have to make sure the intro is isn't giving undue weight to any portion of the article (per WP:UNDUE). The intro shouldbalance the information of the article in the same proportions the information is in the article. Those standards given, the mentioning of the auto industry seems to be well-balanced with the rest of the intro right now. Looks good.  hmwith  τ   16:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Reformatting toledo war and adams township

 * After I wrote the new portion of the history section I realized that the "toledo war" is now chronologically out of order with the rest of it. It should fit between the 3rd and 4th paragraphs preceding it. To do this though, we should probably remove the subheading "toledo war". This is because the current 4th paragraph would then be placed after it, making it appear that its related to the war and its not. But then, that would leave "adams township" the lone subheading, which would look odd.
 * P.S. Im trying to research early 20th toledo. At one time it had like 17 stage theatres (the only one remaining is the valentine) and was the biggest city between new york and chicago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsinger123 (talk • contribs) 06:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Adams Township seems a bit out of place. Is it notable enough to have its own heading? Toledo War seems notable enough but I'm from Michigan so I might be biased. I do think the article would benefit from a lot more 20th century history and I urge you to write up whatever you find. Rees11 (talk) 12:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I would consider dropping the subheading all together before giving it its own heading. Its more of a logistical thing in history; I dont think it really effected people at the time. Not saying its not important, just not nearly as important as some other events in toledo history not mentioned. Im leaning more on dropping the subheading for the toledo war and the end of that paragraph have a "for more information see the full toledo war article" I also started the Oak Openings Region article, if you have anything to contribute please do. Im working for the Metroparks and will be expanding it in time —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.131.226 (talk) 21:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Toledo Architecture
Ive heard that Toledo is famous for its architecture and had a very distinctive style in the early 1900s. The old west end article mentions it is the largest grouping of Victorian homes east of the Mississippi. The zoo has the large amphitheater, there's the famous hotels, the courthouse, the main library, and the warehouse district among others. I'd love to have a section on architecture like the Cleveland article has (also where I got format for the "culture" section) not only listing nice places but also what made the toledo style its own. However this is not at all my area of knowledge. -jsinger123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsinger123 (talk • contribs) 07:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Art/Culture
I think it would be good to include something on the Valentine Theater, as well as Art-o-Matic 419 and other events that showcase local artists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshmurnen (talk • contribs) 15:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Citations and vandalism
This article is in dire need of citations to meet wikipedia standards. I have placed "citation needed" tags next to various pieces of information in the article that require a citation. I have also placed tags at the top of the "Economy" section and the "References in popular culture" section. These sections MUST be cited and the "citation needed" tags must have citations as well. On July 10th, I will remove all unsourced material that has a tag next to it, and will removed unsourced and non-article linked information in the "Economy" "and "popular culture" sections. Thank you for your understanding.Texas141 (talk) 18:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The pop culture trivia has been removed several times, but as is often the case in Wikipedia, it keeps creeping back in. The most recent removal was here: . I'm going to go ahead and trim it again. Rees11 (talk) 20:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a continuing problem with Vandalism under the "Reference to popular culture" section. Note: continuing to replace deleted, un-cited information constitues as vandalism under Wikipedia Standards. Please do not continue to replace information that has been deleted unless varifiable sources are provided when editing information into the section.Texas141 (talk) 08:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think "blatant vandalism" is a bit harsh, but yes this unsourced material should be removed. Rees11 (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Frank Stranahan
I had included him under the notable residents section but it was soon removed. I know from a Stranahan mansion tour at Wildwood Metropark that he won over 200 golf championships and over 100 weightlifting contests, took private lessons from Byrom Nelson on the front lawn starting at age 17 (who he later beat in the PGA), was named most eligible bachelor of the year in 1948, was on the Ed Sullivan show where he deadlifted 500 lbs. live, and was still running marathons in his 80s. I'm having a hard time finding sources for this over the internet, but as the metroparks guide said "he's one of the best athletes that Toledo ever produced," I think it is worth drawing light to this person who is starting to be forgotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsinger123 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The section already lists six athletes, which is way too many when compared to the two actors, three musicians, and two writers. Rees11 (talk) 11:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

First sister city?
This article states the partnership between the cities of Toledo, OH and Toledo, Spain was the first such arrangement in history. This does not appear to be true, as "The first recorded modern twinning agreement was between Keighley, West Yorkshire and Poix-du-Nord, Nord, France in 1920 following the end of World War I." This is according to the wikipedia article on Sister Cities. Can this be clarified? Perhaps stating that it was the first North American city to engage in the sister city type program.

Sstoy (talk) 16:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Toledo, Ohio and Toledo, Spain were indeed the first sister cities. Before the sister cities relationship was begun, they had another twinning agreement.  I can post a photo of the plaque which dates it (1911 if I remember correctly).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by NorthernMagnolia (talk • contribs) 01:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

There was an arrangement between Keighly and Suresnes-Puteaux starting in 1905. This is in War and World Government by Frank Crane, published in 1915. Rees11 (talk) 02:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Stickney Naming Convention
Reference is made to Major Stickney, who numbered his sons andnamed his saughters after states. It's not clear how many sons he had. There were One and Two, but "Gentleman's magazine, Volume 2 By William Evans Burton" says that the infant was named Five. On the other hand, http://www.geni.com/people/Benjamin-Franklin-Stickney/6000000002970241091 says there were five children in total - 2529. One, b. Aug. 31, 1803; m. Matilda J. Bassell. 2530. Louisa, b. -, 1805; d. aged 3 years, in Bow, N. H. 2531. Mary, b. May 23, 1808; m. M. D. Whitney; S. C. Green. 2532. Two, b. Apr. 16, 1810; m. Lovina Cone 2533. Indiana, b. Jan. 16, 1817; m. Platt Card. And you will notice that of the three girls, only Indiana was named for a state. Mary was named for her mother, nee Mary Stark, who was commonly called Molly. However, five was a small family in that era, and it's quite possible that there were more children except for the fact that there seems to be no record of Three, Four, or Five Stickney, and plentiful documentation of these five. The 1850 census for Lucas County doesn't show Three, Four or Five; the 1840 census exists but isn't online yet. Perhaps it would be better to eliminate the part about naming his daughters after states, and simply mention that Two had an older brother One? 141.158.187.62 (talk) 06:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Demographics
So, yeah, the demographics from 2000 where way off, Toledo was no where near half black, that probably means something's wrong with the 2010 census results as well. I would do something, but I don't know how to link to the census to prove it so, I know it would just be reverted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.104.4 (talk) 22:25, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Re-founding
Why was this removed from the first paragraph? "originally incorporated as part of Monroe County, Michigan Territory, ... when it was incorporated in Ohio." You could argue that's too much detail, but it does leave us wondering why the city was re-founded. Maybe move this to the history section? Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:08, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Since there has been no explanation either here or in the edit history I have restored this. Kendall-K1 (talk) 21:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Structure
Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 19:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Please do! I did this for London, Ontario and I think it's good to have a standard format. For me, it makes navigation easier. It's a bit tedious but wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. You must be an expert by now! Kendall-K1 (talk) 03:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Layout
Now that we have a section for the water supply, we might consider conforming to WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. That would suggest a section for Infrastructure, with subsections for Transportation and Utilities. I haven't done this because it would mean pushing each of the Transportation sections down a level. Anyone have strong feelings about this? Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:17, 3 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Go for it. Definitely should comply with WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. Onel5969 (talk) 12:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I support this layout modification. Meatsgains (talk) 07:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Recent revert
A series of edits by 108.254.160.23 were recently reverted. While I agree the editor should have given us edit summaries, I think these edits were an improvement and should be restored. The only content removed was the statement that the proportion of white residents has declined since 1970. This is in a paragraph that makes no other mention of demographic shifts over time. Kendall-K1 (talk) 11:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, I tried to restore the other edits and just made a mess. Feel free to revert me while we discuss this. Sorry. Kendall-K1 (talk) 11:44, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The reason I reverted the IP's edits was because the minor changes the user made to "fix" some sentences in fact did the opposite and they did not flow. I also reverted the user's edits because they gave no reason for why they removed the content. With the content removal, they also removed a reference, again without an explanation. That being said, Kendall-K1 presented a good reason for why the information on white residents does not belong and I don't oppose its removal. I would like to see some sentences tweaked thought for better comprehension. Just my opinion. Best, Meatsgains (talk) 15:24, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Edits on history
The first paragraph of the history notes that fur trading posts were established, but does not mention the tribes with whom the French were trading. This seems odd. Similarly it does not discuss who was involved in the Northwest Indian War or the War of 1812. I think there should be some mention of indigenous history, as this was an Odawa village before it was settled by the French (who traded with them), or the British colonists, or the Americans. The parties to war should also be identified. Parkwells (talk) 03:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't think we need a lot of detail about the War of 1812, because it has its own article. I would not be opposed to putting in a bit more information than is there now.


 * Earlier you had added some information about the Odawa having settled the area, and got reverted. In a case like that it's better to discuss on the talk page than to add the material back in without discussion. I tried to find a source for the material you added and came up empty. Do you have a source, and if so can you please cite it? Kendall-K1 (talk) 04:32, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The WP article on the Odawa people noted they had settled in this area and linked Augashawas' village to Toledo. I also saw it identified recently in a 1910 history book and am trying to find that source again. There are better current sources. Parkwells (talk) 18:47, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "Sandwiched between the French, in the north and west, and the English, in the south and east, the Miami settled in present-day Indiana and western Ohio; the Ottawa settled in Northwest Ohio along the Maumee, the Auglaize, and the Blanchard rivers; the Wyandot settled in Central Ohio; the Shawnee in Southwest Ohio; and the Delaware (Lenape) in Southeast and Eastern Ohio." This is great for overall view of Indian tribes in Michigan and OH.Parkwells (talk) 17:53, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * South Maumee River Reserve, Ohio – 34-mile square reserve on the south side of the river. McCarty's Village ("Tushquegan") was the principal one, located near Presque Isle. Ottokee and his band lived at the mouth of the Maumee River; he was a son of Otussa and grandson of Pontiac. His group were the last of the Odawa from Ohio to remove to Kansas in 1839. [Janet E. Rozick, "Side Cut, Farnsworth, Bend View, and Providence Metroparks"], Metroparks of Toledo, pp. 10-11 (citing Tanner, 48–51, Larry Angelo (2nd chief of the Ottawa Tribe of Oklahoma), The Migration of the Ottawas from 1615 to Present, (1997), pp. 3-6.] This is even more specific. Have also found The Fry Site: Archaeological and Ethnohistorical Perspectives on the Maumee River Ottawa of Northwest Ohio, by David M. Stothers, Patrick M. Tucker (University of Toledo: Laboratory of Archeology, Occasional Monographs No.2, 2006

Parkwells (talk) 17:53, 17 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Fine, but do you have a source that supports your statement about "Agushawas' Village"? Kendall-K1 (talk) 20:15, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Given the new material, I'm only going to refer to Odawa in general along the Maumee River and Ottokee in particular. He and his band were apparently the last Odawa at the mouth of the river.Parkwells (talk) 03:58, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Battle of Lake Erie; edit needed
The caption beneath the sketch of Peter Navarre (1785-1874) which credits him as "Hero of the Battle of Lake Erie" is a mistake. Peter Navarre was not a sailor in the U.S. Navy, he was a solitary frontiersman, who could negotiate with native Indian tribes using his language skills. The battle was fought a few miles west of South Bass Island and the American officer in command was Commodore Oliver Hazzard Perry (1785-1819), who is regarded as the hero of the above battle.

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Toledodor
Are there references - at least one - that confirm "Toledodor" as describing residents of the city? David notMD (talk) 04:24, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


 * A quick search reveals no evidence for "Toledodor" being the demonym for citizens of the city. As a native "Toledoan", I can be reasonably sure of this. 67.211.168.158 (talk) 21:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Water Crisis
Just a quick note. Seems redundant to have the History:21st Century section be dominated by a 5 paragraph essay on the 2014 Toledo Water "Crisis" when a perfectly sufficient synopsis of those events can be found in a single paragraph in the Infrastructure:Utilities section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.211.168.158 (talk) 21:10, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks to user @636Buster for trimming and redistributing the Water content! 67.211.168.158 (talk) 06:50, 27 August 2023 (UTC)