Talk:Tom Crean (explorer)/Archive 2

Royal Irish Academy confirm revisions to the article entry for Tom Crean in Dictionary of Irish Biography
In July 2018, I requested via the Talk page for the article, that revisions be made and at the same time I declared a COI as I am the author of a biography about Tom Crean that prevented me undertaking any edits. I detailed the revisions in the Talk section yet because my book was self-published it was deemed that my work in research for Crean's biography did not qualify as a reliable standard of sources according to Wikipedia policy.

In June 2020 I submitted my entire research findings to the Royal Irish Academy in order to alter the erroneous article about Tom Crean in the Dictionary of Irish Biography, a collaboration project between RIA and Cambridge University Press. It was confirmed to me on October 2nd 2020 that, in light of the evidence I submitted, revisions will now be made to the article entry for Tom Crean in the DIB. Given that the ROI and DIB are considered reliable sources, can an editorial process begin in which revisions to the inaccurate Tom Crean Wikipedia article now be undertaken? If there is an acceptable means of submitting my source evidence to editors I am happy to provide this. Timfoley50 (talk) 12:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi. If or when the DIB is updated, then we can revisit. Otherwise there is no provision for original research to be submitted for consideration by a "content/editorial board" at Wikipedia. Guliolopez (talk) 14:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Guliolopez, Just to update after my last contribution to Talk in November 2020, the Dictionary of Irish Biography article entry for Tom Crean was revised on March 17th 2021 and the web platform has moved to open access so the entries are visible to all. As I requested before, can an editorial process begin in which these revisions are reflected in the Wikipedia entry for Tom Crean? Timfoley50 (talk) 16:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Just pinging so they will see this. If their happy, I can go ahead ad make the changes as per the new DIB entry. Smirkybec (talk) 12:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Fine with me. Thanks. Guliolopez (talk) 12:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I quickly updated the date of birth here, in Irish, and on Wikidata. I'll take a closer look over the weekend for some of the other changes reflected in the new DIB entry. Smirkybec (talk) 14:23, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Timfoley50 (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)I welcome the changes recently made to the article entry for Tom Crean. Under the Wikipedia project page : 'Identifying and using Self-Published Works', I wish also to propose that the self-published biography 'Crean - The Extraordinary Life of an Irish Hero' be used as a reference for a number of the sources included in the Wikipedia article. Given that all the revisions recently applied to Tom Crean’s article entry in the Dictionary of Irish Biography were done so after presenting the Royal Irish Academy with the source evidence used in the writing of this particular biography, I believe reference to the publication should now be incorporated into the Wikipedia entry.

As the revised DIB entry now includes reference to 'Crean - The Extraordinary Life of an Irish Hero,' I request that the Wikipedia entry for Crean also be referenced and cited to this biography as the relevant source where applicable in its content. Citations and book references to self-published works do appear acceptable under Wikipedia policies and guidelines as referred to in sub-section 4.2 titled 'Acceptable use of self-published works’ of the project page.

Attributed to an opinion in the Wiki article speculating on the outcome had Tom Crean been included among Scott’s final polar party, section 4 (Terra Nova Expedition), is the phrase 'Crean’s biographer.’ The phrase conveys that only one such biography exists which is incorrect. I also would ask that this description now be rephrased.


 * Guliolopez, as you were the editor I liaised with initially when I asked for the changes back in July 2018, I'd be grateful if you were to now examine and consider the guidelines as detailed in the Wikipedia project page 'Identifying and using Self-Published Works' as I highlighted in my previous entry here on 10th May.

In light of the fact that the recent changes made to the Dictionary of Irish Biography were all implemented after submission, of the sources I discovered and utilised when writing my book, 'Crean - The Extraordinary Life of an Irish Hero,' to the Royal Irish Academy, there now appears to be no further obstacles to prevent the use of my biography as a reference in Tom Crean's Wikipedia article entry for the changes that have been applied. The case for its inclusion is further strengthened given that the book is now also listed as a reference in the DIB entry for Crean. If you were also able to consider the other matter regarding the incorrect phrase as detailed in my previous message here I'd be most grateful. Timfoley50 (talk) 16:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)