Talk:Tom McCall

Improvement and expansion
Hey folks, I'm doing some repair on this article - it struck me as a little light on details and unbalanced (mention of the bands that didn't play Vortex, but no mention of the state penitentiary riot or McCall's attempts at tax reform or his dalliance with third-party politics) for such a significant figure in Oregon history. Doing some general expansion and grammatical fixes today, and I'll be back to put in specific pagerefs for the Walth book, which is clearly going to be one of the best sources for this article. --Whippymingo (talk) 22:45, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Comments
I still think he is one of the best governors Oregon has had -- if not the best. Unfortunately, he has few competitors for this title: the only other person I would nominate for this honor is Oswald West, one of whose achievements was securing the beaches in Oregon as public land. llywrch

We Should expand on this.
I've been meaning to write a very in depth article on Tom McCall and his contributions to oregon for quite some time. I'm just not sure exactly what to include. I don't want to over do it. I mean there would definitely something about the bottle bill and the beach bill,...but there are about 100 other things I know he did and I'm not sure if they should be included. The Vortex concert for instance.

Anyway...we should collaborate on a mega article for Mr. McCall... he deserves it.

12 Nov 2004: Vinny quotes from the page: "Gov. Tom McCall Waterfront Park, a 37 acre (150,000 m²) park which runs along the Willamette River for the length of downtown". Downtown of which city? -Vinny

needs more
go ahead fullerton, I'd like to read more about him. i might even give it some research right after i finish the other stuff that keeps piling up. If you need suggestions, see other articles about govs: Gary Locke Neil Goldschmidt, etc. Cacophony 01:50, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Expect a bunch soon
Yeah, I'm going to write a ton about him, I'm finsihing up a second biography now and when I'm done reading I'll draft an entry. I'm organizing it all in my head right now. (fullerton)

Let me suggest adding Fire at Eden's Gate as a reference. As far as I know it remains his only biography besides Tom's own autobio. (Jeffreykopp)

Context vs. off topic
Off topic would be discussing the life of his widow's new husband. Off topic would be discussing the political leanings of Mark Hatfield a contemporary and sort of rival. Context is providing information such as the failure of measure 6 in 1982, or much of the info about Vortex I. Now, the current wording is not ideal, but the lifespan dates should remain as relevant information that some readers are likely to want, such as did he marry some young hussey 3o years younger than him, or how long after she lived after he died (or in other circumstances related to spouses did the wife die before the husband). But note the name of the section is "Marriage" and he did marry her. Now if it went off into a full-on biography of her talking about where she liked to shop, that would be off topic. Aboutmovies (talk) 14:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Source for expansion
A general overview from the NYT: -Pete (talk) 17:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Legalisation of marijuana
Just letting the ppl that remove my edit about McCall and Oregon legalising marijuana. It is not vandalism it is true. You should see the marijuana documentary Grass. Portillo (talk) 03:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It originally wasn't cited, and until you added the bit about the film, the sentence about marijuana didn't show a connection between the legislation and McCall (other than the implied connection that it was passed during his tenure), so that's why it was removed. Do you have any citations showing that McCall is interviewed in the film? Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 00:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, now I see your edits were also reverted after a spate of childish and pro-pot vandalism. I've restored them. I'm going to assume your edit is accurate, but it does need a citation as unsourced info is subject to removal at any time. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 00:40, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Marijuana in Oregon IS NOT completely decriminalized. Possession of over 1 oz. of marijuana is a felony in Oregon, meaning marijuana IS NOT completely decriminalized in the state.  Possession of under 1 oz. is not a crime, but is punishable by fines.  Until the wording is changed or the author comes to their senses, I will continue to remove it.  KDR (talk) 17:30, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I found these articles but im not sure if there reference worthy.

http://www.cafemom.com/journals/read/1353243/Decriminalizing_Marijuana_Pass_the_Joint_These_are_the_facts_people_Whether_you_like_it_or_not_the_cold_hard_truth

http://www.rollitup.org/medical-marijuana/18306-reasoning-behind-legalizing-collecting-taxes.html

"The year following Oregon became the first US state to completely decriminalize pot under the direction of then Governor Tom McCall who passed the Oregon Decriminalization Bill. Four years afterwards, studies showed no increase in marijuana use and a significant savings on tax money otherwise budget for police enforcement of drug control."

"Thinking differently about marijuana is hardly new to Oregon. In 1971 Oregon Gov. Tom McCall read an incredible 4,500-word statement before the National Commission on marijuana and Drug Abuse urging nothing short of a revolution in the way the country handled the so-called marijuana problem." Portillo (talk) 03:01, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * KDR, you are confusing decriminalization with legalization. —EncMstr (talk) 22:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No. Everyone here is confusing decriminalization with complete decriminalization.  There's a huge difference. KDR (talk) 08:56, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Measure 6?
This article mentions the Measure 6 that McCall fought at the end of his life, but never mentions what it was or why he was so determined. If anybody knows anything about this, could you clarify the article on this point? (I'd help except, y'know, I don't know what it is.)68.178.98.92 (talk) 22:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

military service
The text says he was rejected for military service, but the side bar listed US Navy WWII, Which is correct 00:31, 29 March 2015 (UTC)~

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