Talk:Tom Metzger

Current line
"In the Summer of 1980, Metzger won the nomination of the Democratic party for the House of Representatives. Metzger, who had changed his party registration from Republican to Democrat earlier in the year due to the state's 45th Congressional District being heavily Republican, and won the primary by 318 votes."

See with the above statement I don't really understand what the district's Republican slant has to do with it, if he won the Democratic primary, or maybe i'm missing something. Derktar 19:10, August 18, 2005 (UTC).

"In recent years, Metzger has advocated the 'lone wolf' method of organization for white supremacist groups." Anyone care to clarify what this means? - Quirk 13:00, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Geraldo
2/20/06 - It was John Metzger, Tom's son who appeared on Geraldo. He was there as leader of the Youth wing of the WAR. Check the video. Anyway, I corrected it - xBrendanx

A Van down by the River?
The biographical article states that "Metzger went broke and lived in a van down by the river for awhile...". Since no precise geographic location was given in that paragraph, it would be sloppy to refer to the river and assume that the reader would know which river. If the expression "living in a van down by the river" is a colloquial expression of being homeless and destitute, it is of rather low quality for an article here. This phrase appears to have been borrowed from Chris Farley's "Matt Foley, Motivational Speaker" character and placed in ths article with its author hoping it would go unnoticed.

A Van down by the River-FACTUAL
The proof that Metzger lived in a van down by the river near Fallbrook, California, in the early 90's, can be found at www.johnnyleeclary.com/metzger.htm There are two photos of Tom Metzger living in the van that can be viewed on this page. To continue to add this on the Metzger page is not vandalism and will continue to be added each time it is removed.

vandals
I deleted the following information from the page because it appears to have been added in to the existing page, and, as you can see, does not appear to be factual:

On April 13, 2006, he was involved in the unfortunate Santa Cruz Minutemen Incident. Metzger, along with 5 other minutemen patrolling the Mexican border found themselves on the wrong side of the border. They were detained by the Mexicanian Federal Border Policia, the special services branch. Upon investigation while he was detained, he was criminally charged of violations against the Mexican state of Chihuaua. Some local rancheros identified him as the culprit behind the sodomy incident of their donkeys, in which 5 of them died, and three more contracted a fatal strain of HIV. Metzger and 3 of the minutemen were charged and found guilty of crossing the border, molesting Mexicanian donkeys, and giving them a fatal strain of HIV. However, they were realesed back to the US for a lack of jail space in the Federated Mexicanoid States. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.251.232.111 (talk • contribs) 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * considering the evidence, I believe this should be brought back up for debate. The pictures appear to be legitamate. The source, credible. I will wait a week for discussion. If no dissenting voices appear with legitamate counter-points, I will put the mention (unbiased) back into the article. The homeless part, that is. Rsm99833 05:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Howdy rsm99833. You can put whatever you like into the article just as long as....it ain't ORIGINAL research, you SOURCE it and err what else??? Just because you don't hear any dissenting voices doesn't mean much. How about this, put the statement/picture here again with sources. Have a little feedback and THEN add it. Or just blow me off and do what you want. Cheers! --Tom 13:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

also
i missed this line, which appears to have been added at the same time as the other vandalism to the page, so removed it as well:

He was born to Caroll and James Metzger. His family originally came from South Carolina. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.251.232.111 (talk • contribs) 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Mindless reversion
Unless I am severely mistaken, at least three, no, four people have, uh, mistakenly reverted back to the vandalized version of this page. It would appear to me that User:71.251.232.111 had a right - twice - and that some really obvious BS has been re-added *four* times!

Do you really think that
 * ... he helped in deporting his Mexicanoid half sister, who he sold for drugs to local Mexican rancheros, in exchange for crack-cocaine.

has *any* chance of being true? Check the additions by User:209.158.161.194.

If that doesn't make you suspicious, how about
 * One of the surviving armenian donkeys that was infected by hiv by azeri captors in sodomy. after being resqued, it died of the HIV months later, from complications caused by pneumonia

one of their other 'contributions'.

Gentlepeople, you've been had! After placing requests to peek back here on your talk pages, I'll revert and then put the article and this page on my watch list. Please let me know if I've got this wrong. Shenme 07:58, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like I got caught by 216.246.129.152 contributions. They made this and I guess I reverted the Metzger without looking close enough. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 08:09, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

TheKingofDixie
I left you a note on your talk page. Please use facts that can be authneticated from reliable sources if possible. You seem to be adding original research. This article should be totally overhauled to just list the BASIC FACTS. Is this guy really worth it?? Wikipedia's job isn't or should be to determine if somebody is a scumbag, ect, but to present the facts as best as possible and then let the reader decide.Tom 15:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Added RFC under politics as first step to resolution
Anybody please HELP out here :) Tom 15:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

cross-burning case

 * The case had been thrown out twice by 2 L.A. judges, only to have charges brought up again by judge J.D. Smith.

This cannot be true:
 * 1) If the case had been "thrown out" once, that ends proceedings under American criminal law.
 * 2) California judges cannot "bring up" charges, much less bring up charges again.

What's the basis for reinserting this claim? -- FRCP11 13:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about that specific case, but double jeopardy doesn't apply if it concerns different charges, such as assault, ethnic intimidation, violation of civil rights, etc. I remember one case where two skinheads beat up a black teen, and they were charged with seven different crimes! Again, I don't know about the case mentioned, but it is possible to bring up different charges. -Anon 11:07 18 Dec 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.151.155.213 (talk)

re : john lee clary site
the site does not have the metzger section no more. but even though i hate what tom represents it was very biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sickero (talk • contribs) 10:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

List of Children?
I have just seen a documentary about this person, it seems unfair to list his children on this page considering his views. I have removed them. 82.13.115.215 (talk) 17:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Undone. The two children mentioned are middle-aged adults, and they openly share their father's convictions. --87.79.40.67 (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Relation to Rabbi Metzger
Why is there no mention of his relation to the brothers Rabbi Chaim Metzger from Jerusalem, and Chief Rabbi of Israel rabbi Yonah Metzger?

Take a look at these three: Rabbi yonah Metzger, Tom Metzger and Gustav Metzger.

They have one thing in common besides their last name, they are all descendants of Markus Metzger from Munich and later on Nurenberg.

פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 21:21, 25 November 2012 (UTC)


 * @Pashute because there is no relation. I doubt the man who was so anti-semetic is actually a Jew. 76.205.53.82 (talk) 02:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Change title
Changing the title? no articles on wikipedia thats not political biased have [term here] on them, obviously should be changed to Tom metzger simply. WP:neutrality at stake here77.53.83.6 (talk) 09:46, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Tom Metzger redirects to Thomas Metzger, which is a disambiguation page that lists four different people.Spylab (talk) 02:59, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

German Surname
Metzger is a German Surname. I think he is 100% German Ancestry (Mother and Father).

Oregon trial
The group was eventually bankrupted ...

Not a good way to begin a new section. What group? &mdash; MaxEnt 00:32, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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Loaded sentence
Wally despised the racist nationalism by Metzger even though Metzger of the two was the obvious right wing guest.

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