Talk:Tommy Dorsey/Archive 1

Juan Trippe fact
Was going to put this in the text, but instead decided per the Wiki "Cite Sources" guidance to cut it and put this here.

Pan American World Airways's president Juan Trippe was a member of his band in 1940. ??? Can any Dorsey or Trippe expert verify this? It seems to be a mixing of a Frank Sinatra date (joining Dorsey) that appears in a sidebar on a Juan Trippe page ... please fix or remove this comment, note this factoid does NOT appear on the Juan Trippe page ... ???

Will email AnonionMartin who I think added it to see if he has a better cite for this factoid.

Just noticed that the equivalent factoid had been removed months ago on the Juan Trippe page...

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High C#
It's not that hard for a seasoned player to pull off.


 * I'm not clear about to which C# the article refers. Keeping in mind that C4 is "middle C," is this "High C#" C#5 (not impressive, but the trombonists in Tommy's day rarely played above G4) or C#6 (which is impressive)?  The article should note if it is C#5 or C#6.  The article should also note that Tommy made playing above G4 a requirement for a serious trombonist.  Previous to Tommy, trombone music was almost never written above G4.  Now, one sees frequent C5's, a professional trombonist is expected to play an F5 with good tone quality, and virtuosos exceed Bb5, equivalent to a trumpet's "Triple C." These points should be researched and cited in the article.  Weyandt 20:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

New material
The new book out last year on Dorsey provides some good factual matrerial to update this page. I believe that he had more than one wife, contrary to what is in the text. Talk to Dr. M 20:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Spouses
Herb Sanford's biography, The Dorsey Years, states that his first wife was named Mildred but always was called "Toots". In 1943 he married B-movie actress Patricia Dane and divorced her in early 1947. So Jane New Dorsey was correctly identified as his third wife.

Fair use rationale for Image:Tommy Dorsey album stoplook and listen.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 10:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Citations & References
See Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the  tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 10:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Use of Image:Tommy Dorsey 1.jpg
Unfortunately, non-free publicity images cannot be used for artist identification purposes within infoboxes if a free image already exists which can fulfill this purpose. See WP:NFC Item 1, No free equivalent. D7240 (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Need for citations and references
I bet a few people on here love Tommy Dorsey so much that they know this information on this page by memory. And that's why there's no citations for the information cited. The only problem is, is that the reader has nowhere to go to find out where the information is from, the reader can't find out if any mistakes were made and it detracts from the objecivity of the page. So to make this page even better, I would like to ask that facts be verified. Thanks.24.167.105.97 (talk) 22:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Spinning the Discography off to its own page
what would anyone think of taking the discography and spinning it off to its own page? And also, taking "Selected Recordings" and deleting it? "Selected Recordings" begs the question "Selected by who?" It seems too subjective a category.24.167.105.97 (talk) 04:08, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Take the discography to its own page, please; the sooner the better. Once that's done, there will be no need for "Selected Recordings". None. Binksternet (talk) 04:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to take "Selected Recordings" off. If anyone can move the discography it would be greatly appreciated as I don't know how to move it.24.167.105.97 (talk) 15:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm thinking, the Discography section has problems because it seems to be referring to compact discs and records of reissues of the original Tommy Dorsey band. It's not a discography of the band's original recordings. In effect it just seems like an advertisement for reissues. What about just deleting it?24.167.105.97 (talk) 15:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The section on Tommy Dorsey's Billboard hits needs a lot of verification. Not sure where to find it.24.167.105.97 (talk) 01:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the "discography" part redundant? I thought it was already "spun off". I'm getting motion sickness from all the spinning. With other artists like Barbra Streisand, each individual album she did has its own article, maybe the Tommy Dorsey discography on here can be separated like that? The section of the article is already half way there. Each album has its own link. It's not really extensive though, because RCA was in the process of doing "The Complete Tommy Dorsey on RCA" in the seventies. I think they stopped around 1937. Those two albums are not listed.173.175.113.173 (talk) 13:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC) Thinking about it, this discography doesn't make any sense either. Because if you use Streisand as an example, those albums she did (that are listed on Wikipedia) were the first issuings of the recordings. The records/cds presented here are reissues. Sorry to sound so anal retentive, but a real discography would be pages and pages of dates and sidemen and singers and matrix numbers of the original recordings Tommy Dorsey did for Decca and RCA from the 20s to the 50s. That's why I think these listings should be deleted.173.175.113.173 (talk) 19:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

destructive edits and wikipedia accounts
Discography is a legitimate term to use. I have restored it, following the deletion by an anonymous IP address editor.Dogru144 (talk) 07:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of instances of partial discographies and partial bibliographies in wikipedia.Dogru144 (talk) 07:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Why don't you separate the Tommy Dorsey reissues into separate pages like Barbra Streisand's are, with individual entries? You could even go back into the 78rpm era and have individual entries for each 78 Dorsey made. Partial discographies are always going to be subjected to the whims of whoever created them because the information chosen is related to the author's interests or blindspots. In other words, the subjectivity is going to conflict with Wikipedia's chosen goal of objectivity.173.175.113.173 (talk) 19:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Plus having a separate article for reissues might make more sense since all these reissues came after Dorsey's 1956 death.173.175.113.173 (talk) 20:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply (1) IP address Editor 173.175.113.173|173.175.113.173 continues to work outside of wikipedia convention by not creating a wikipedia account and continues to step outside of wikipedia convention by not using the category, = Discography = as a section header.  (2) Furthermore, let me note that "Reissues" is too generic and it can relate to any kind of reissued media, software, music recordings, video recordings.  The reissues in question are under the category Discography.  (3) Making a separate article for discography is not mandated and one can find plenty of musicians whose recordings are listed in discographies in the article for the musician.  Again, I call on interested parties to note prevailing patterns in wikipedia.Dogru144 (talk) 22:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The destructive edits, out of wikipedia nomenclature continue.

The following is too imprecise: no specific year. no explanation of contradictory "Complete" title and un-referenced assertion that project was not completed. Again, editor needs to stop using IP address and follow wikipedia protocols.Dogru144 (talk) 16:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC) I thought having an account was optional. Since deleting and reinserting material is also always an option, I am unclear about what is "destructive" on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hipsterdoofus1 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I.E. Need for More Citations
We're getting there. Slowly but surely.24.167.105.97 (talk) 23:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC) Do we still need more citations or can the block at the top of the page be taken off?24.167.105.97 (talk) 15:15, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

RE: "Citations Pending Doesn't Cut It"
Citations were pending because the book where the citation is, is at the public library which is closed due to their remodelling, which doesn't mean anything to anyone outside of where I live, but which is why I added "citations pending". Happy Holidays :) 24.167.105.97 (talk) 00:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Discography
Does a discography belong on here that lists records and compact discs that are reissues of Tommy DOrsey music, after Dorsey's death? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hipsterdoofus1 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Orchestra should probably be separate article
The orchestra, which is still performing (!), should probably be a separate article. see http://www.buddymorrowproductions.com, for example. Student7 (talk) 19:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Serious oversight
Dorsey's group The Clambake Seven made a great many recordings, including many with Edythe Wright. The article contains only one mention of the Clambake Seven, with no hint of what it was, how it was formed, or what time period it was in existence. Anyone with access to information able to write this up? Perhaps a new section? Akld guy (talk) 01:59, 19 October 2017 (UTC)