Talk:Tommy Morrison

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The fights need to have dates. Remember that you should write an article as if someone who knows next to nothing about the subject (like me) will be reading it! Don't assume that the reader knows what you know. --MichaelAWilson 22:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

fight dates
it appears someone read the comment above and entered fight dates, but no way he fought someone on july 2nd 1995 before fighting lenox lewis later that month. the fight dates need to be revised according to boxrec.com http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=1465&cat=boxer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.209.199 (talk) 10:44, 16 February 2012 (UTC) ok it appears the dates are in european format, when morrison is an american boxer... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.209.199 (talk) 10:47, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

This article is slightly difficult to read because of the listing of whose opponent was whose. "Mike Tyson's opponents....." Is this a big deal that Morrison knocked out the same no-names as Tyson? I don't know...I think it just makes it harder to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.104.111 (talk) 04:52, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Theres should definetly more being said about this error in his HIV test. Thats fucking huge to leave boxing because of testing positive and then finding out its fallacy.

I know for sure that Morrison was born in Gravette, Arkansas and NOT Jay, Oklahoma! He only lives in Jay. Why do you insist that he was born there??! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.105.32 (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

His own website states that he was born in Gravette, Arkansas. So does boxrec and cyberboxingzone. I ask that you edit Jay, Oklahoma out as his birthplace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.105.32 (talk) 14:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

This article sounds a lot like it was written by a friend of the subject. It seems to have a paragraph or two of "ranting".Jcmiller1215 02:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcmiller1215 (talk • contribs)

I think undue weight is being given to Morrison's claim that he doesn't have HIV. There are numerous accounts of him testing posititive multiple times. Deliciousgrapefruit (talk) 04:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

1980 Junior Olympics
The 1980 Junior Olympics were held at the University of Santa Clara in Santa Clara, California (see the 1980 results page). Boxers competed in one of sixteen weight classes. Tommy Morrison's name is not on the list of winners, nor is he listed as having lost one of the matches. I don't see any evidence that Morrison competed in this event, much less won. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 01:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

2010 changes
Updated for his recent arrest, updated his nickname, updated his current home 68.102.171.147 (talk) 03:09, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

The john Wayne thing
The intro says the claims he is Wayne's great-nephew are disputed but not mentioned again, the only reference is a book - which obviously can't be verified without purchasing it. Why is there no more mention of arguably one of the best known 'facts' about Morrison (the others being Rocky and HIV) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malau (talk • contribs) 14:01, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

John Wayne had one brother, Robert Emmett Morrison, a movie producer who was married twice with no children. If he's related to Wayne, it's more distant than great-nephew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stembark (talk • contribs) 02:54, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Chiller Theater Photo
Is that really Tommy Morrison? It really, really doesn't look like him at all. Just asking. Apple8800 (talk) 16:15, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes it's him. It took me a while to figure out that's Tommy Morrison cause the guy in the photo seems to be black. But the picture has been taken in a low-light room and he's more skinny than in the past. Look at the picture there: http://www.boxingsocialist.com/profiles/blogs/tommy-morrison-talks -- 188.60.252.85 (talk) 19:28, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Half Scottish
He's Scottish-American by some resources. I'm sure it said he was on here but it seems to have been removed. 92.19.36.204 (talk) 10:15, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

BLPN notice
Note that as there appears to be a current dispute as to whether to include some medical related information to this BLP, I have requested a review of the disputed material at BLPN. The section can be found here. --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 20:41, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Newest addition
An IP has added material in the Legal section of the article several times now that implicates WP:BLP generally and WP:BLPCRIME particularly. The latest version they've added was:

"In September 2011, Morrison was arrested for outstanding warrants in Kansas. He was jailed for drug charges in Tennessee, dating back to 2010. The charges were later withdrawn."

I have reverted and invite the IP to discuss the changes per WP:BRD. In the latest version, it seems really silly to add an arrest based on charges that have been withdrawn. Regardless of the BLP issues, it's simply not worth noting.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Morrison is a public figure, and this was newsworthy by various third party sources, I think it can be included, as long as the outcome is revealed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.49.59 (talk) 02:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do you think it's "newsworthy" if it turned out to be a big nothing. It adds an arrest to his other legal issues, but the arrest then turns out to be bogus. Even though the charges were dropped, it has a negative implication that is unwarranted. Wikipedia articles for reporting all the news about a particular person but for reporting on encyclopedic, noteworthy events in a person's life, particularly as they are related to why they are notable. This doesn't fit with in any of that.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:17, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Correction
Lennox Lewis did not knock Tommy out. They stopped it - and they should have - but he wasn't knocked out. You should fix that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.27.172.74 (talk) 02:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You fix it, boyo. --2.29.17.130 (talk) 22:14, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

the man pictured is NOT Tommy Morrison. The picture is of a black man. Morrison was caucasian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.225.154 (talk) 16:17, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:People with HIV/AIDS?
Should Morrison be included in this category, given his questionable status? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:43, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. It would seem that questions about the accuracy of the HIV tests arose mostly for Morrison and other HIV/AIDS deniers. For the rest of the world and more importantly the reliable sources, there wasn't much question. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 15:39, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, as far as cause of death goes, we should remember that Pseudomonas pneumonia and septicaemia are more likely when the immune system has been devastated by untreated HIV infection. Although there's no reason to insert original research into the article, there's also no reason to use the standard denialist "death certificate" argument to suggest that Morrison may not have been an AIDS patient, as his mother disclosed. Keepcalmandcarryon (talk) 15:49, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Pseudomonas was hospital acquired and had nothing to do with HIV. POSTMORTEM REPORT also confirms no HIV and no AIDS. This needs to be publicly known and that's why this page has been updated. TCB2020 (talk) 14:54, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


 * According to the death certificate, Morrison's body was cremated. News reports say that an autopsy was not performed. What new evidence / tests show his HIV status before he died? 2605:A601:A0BD:DB00:524:423B:39BA:996A (talk) 08:08, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

He was not related to John Wayne
That was just invented by his promoters because of the Morrison name in order to generate publicity. (PatrickO&#39;Reilly (talk) 17:06, 25 September 2014 (UTC))
 * The article doesn't say he's related to John Wayne. It just notes the claim that he is.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The claim was a lie since he was demonstrably not related either to Wayne or his younger brother Robert Morrison. (PatrickO&#39;Reilly (talk) 18:34, 25 September 2014 (UTC))
 * The source cited says 'Tommy Morrison, because he was thought to be related to John Wayne, became known as Duke. ("We never heard of the guy," Wayne's son, Pat, once said. "But if he wins the heavyweight title, we'll claim him".' It says nothing about anyone claiming that he was Wayne's grandnephew. As for demonstrating that he isn't related to Wayne at all, that is clearly impossible - if you go back far enough everyone is related... AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:21, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I've removed the 'grandnephew' assertion as unsourced. I can't see anything particularly objectionable in leaving in a general statement that he was claimed to be a relative of Wayne - we aren't saying it is true. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

native claim
claims his mother is Native, i see no official documentation of this, he looks like a typical fair haired white guy. the source (Sports Illustrated) is usually reliable, but per WP:IV, what he said isn't checked for accuracy and comes off as a self-published source,which WP:SELFSOURCE, it should be removed due to #4 as there's definitely doubt of its validity due to frequent non-documented claims of Native ancestry by White Americans. i would like a genealogy of Morrison to verify this Native ancestry, if this can't be provided for verification, it is nonsense. AndyTheGrump anything to say? 22:26, 3 January 2015 (UTC)NativePrideWorldWide (talk)
 * Usually we defer to how a person was described in independent, reliable sources. I'm no expert on source reliability, but his obit in The Guardian described his mother as Native American here. EricEnfermero (Talk) 23:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

yes, but is there actual documented verification of this ancestry? theguardian doesn't seem to provide it, therefore it's dubious and shouldn't be written as fact, that's my problem here. so a correction to the article that consists of something of a verify source tag seems appropriate? i think so. NativePrideWorldWide (talk) 23:18, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * the man also apparently claimed to be related to John Wayne, but that's not written as a fact, but the Native ancestry is? why? it's quite clear the John Wayne claim lacks genealogical verification and this Native claim too, now i'm not trying to remove this Native claim now, but stating it shouldn't be written as fact and it shouldn't per WP guidelines (selfsource). i added a tag on the page, other editors should have no problem here, no? NativePrideWorldWide (talk) 00:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * You seem to misunderstand how Wikipedia works - we don't require 'documented verification' of ancestry. What we require is that such information is published in a reliable source - of which the Guardian is a prime example amongst the major newspapers of the World. It should be noted that the same information was previously cited to Sports Illustrated/CNN - also a reliable source. Accordingly, I am going to restore the material, with a citation to the Guardian (since the CNN link no longer works). I suggest you familiarise yourself with Wikipedia policy on sourcing before making any further edits. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

johnny depp is often written up as having native heritage, yet none confirmed, take a look at his article where it says "despite all evidence indicating he has no Native American ancestry", what evidence? obviously ancestral documentation. espn (reliable source) says Tommy Morrison is related to John Wayne. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9628475/tommy-morrison-wild-ride-ended-tragic-denial, yet this is a prime example of claim being written as fact, why is this a claim? cause lack of evidence, what evidence? genealogical ancestry documentation, like the reason the Depp native claims have been debunked. including Native claims into articles? sure, but writing them as fact? that's ridiculous, goes against WP guideline of self-published source too. NativePrideWorldWide (talk) 00:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Tommy Morrison didn't publish The Guardian or even write articles for it. EricEnfermero (Talk) 00:42, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Exactly - neither The Guardian nor CNN are self-published sources. They state that Morrison's mother was of Native American descent - and accordingly, per WP policy, so will we. We do not require reliable sources to cite sources in turn, and we do not omit properly sourced and relevant information because a contributor doesn't think it is true. If NativePrideWorldWide can find a reliable source which casts doubt on this assertion, we may have something to discuss, but I can see no benefit in proceeding further with irrelevances about Johnny Depp or whatever. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:46, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

still, what is The Guardian's source for his Native ancestry? where's the genealogy? that's the only thing that could confirm this supposed Native ancestry. Depp has been written up as having Native ancestry by reliable sources, yet in reality he has none. Wikipedia needs to quit allowing interview claims being written as fact, a person says something and news articles write it as factual. i've seen this nonsense happen tons of times, more White American celebrities claim Native ancestry then probably not being part Native. yet why does official documentation of their ancestry rarely show Native ancestry? i can give you tons of examples. 00:54, 4 January 2015 (UTC)NativePrideWorldWide (talk)


 * We do not require our sources to cite sources in turn. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

okay, but perhaps a, tag? source obvious support basis of his supposed Native mother, but lacks the fact to provide this? that seems appropriate. NativePrideWorldWide (talk) 01:09, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * No. The Guardian is a reliable source, and you have provided no evidence whatsoever that it is incorrect. And unless you can provide such a source, I'm not going to discuss this further - Wikipedia policy is entirely clear. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:11, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

what is his genealogy is provided? that would override everything then, no? i meant a {Verify credibility}, tag btw. NativePrideWorldWide (talk) 01:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

His mother is a native American and her father was African American. TCB2020 (talk) 14:57, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

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Category:AIDS-related deaths in Nebraska
the other day i removed Category:AIDS-related deaths in Nebraska with the edit summary "no source makes this claim. the conditions leading to death were not opportunistic infections therefore this death does not fit this category". today Liz restored the category with the edit summary "It's "related deaths" and this oppotunistic infection is related". my AIDS knowledge may not be as up-to-date as Liz's, but my memory (and the CDC) tells me that AIDS related opportunistic infections do not include pseudomonas and sepsis. those could be symptoms of AIDS but the official cause does not list AIDS as a manner of death and it is not up to wikipedia to decide that this death is AIDS related. i would like to see the category justified with a citation or removed. .usarnamechoice (talk) 19:56, 7 September 2022 (UTC)