Talk:Tomorrow Never Dies/Archive 1

Untitled
I don't think the device Carver uses to corrupt GPS signals is a 'decoder' - but I'll check before making a change. james gibbon 20:41, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Walther P99
Is it really used in every subsequent film, as stated in the article? I think it's briefly seen in TWINE at the Swiss Bank offices, but what about DAD? I think the poster featured a Beretta: http://www.ianfleming.org/007news/images3/dadteaser.jpg - so I assumed they'd done a placement deal. james gibbon 20:53, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That's just promotional art. It really is used in every film post-TND. Die Another Day: . K1Bond007 22:32, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

The Beretta is used by Jinx in Die Another Day (standard gun of most american military organizations).

Trivia
The trivia with the title-typo is BULLSHIT, imho. i don't know any keyboard on which you can accidently type D for L.....
 * Please sign your messages. No one ever said it was a typo (if the article does then that's a typo!). The fact the title was erroneously stated as being Tomorrow Never Dies and this was kept is a matter of record, and the original screenplay was titled Tomorrow Never Lies. 23skidoo 00:43, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

china or vietnam?
I'm trying to find out for James Bond locations if Bond went to mainland China in this film. When they go to the bay from which they start to investigate where the stealth ship is, which country is that? I thought it might be Vietnam because Saigon is where they start researching from, but it could also plausibly be China -- Astrokey44 |talk 08:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That was Halong Bay. He never goes to main land China. I think he does go to Japan though IIRC. I don't think we list that (Okinawa). K1Bond007 08:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This can be added to trivia section, the scene in Halong Bay, which shot in Phuket, Thailand (I'm Thai). This is very clear for Thai people because the alphabets on the boat are Thai letters. Markpeak 16:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This is near "James Bond Island" where they show Man with the Golden Gun, correct? 23skidoo 16:44, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I do not see the point of creating a new article for the book of Tomorrow Never Dies. It is after all just a derivation of the movie and it's right place is as an addendum/paragraph of the main article, the one on the film.****

Do not split the article
I oppose splitting the article into separate film and novel articles. I fail to see how this would benefit Wikipedia, plus the resulting article would be simply a stub unless you want to simply repeat the plot summary given here. 23skidoo 13:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * See Revenge of the Sith. ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 04:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There are huge differences between the ROTS movie and its novelization, not true for TND. Only minor differences and most aren't even notable. I mean, can we fill a page on it? Probably not. Not right now anyway, if ever. It would be entirely redundant with what is here right now. K1Bond007 05:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd have to go hunting for the citation, but I do believe Benson was criticized for writing a novelization which was little more than an expansion of the script (as opposed to a piece of prose based upon the script). When I added the novelisation section I found it very difficult to write more than a few sentences. No way would this be any more than a stub with an infobox if it became a separate article. 23skidoo 13:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The only difference that I'm aware of (and I read it back in '97 so I can't remember if this is true) is the opening in which Bond scales a frozen waterfall or something. It was in the early scripts, but dropped later on. I have a copy of the first (I believe) submitted draft and a copy of the finished screenplay. K1Bond007 18:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You would talk about the writing of the novel, the reception, sales, influence, how strongly it is considered to be in the continuity....the lists go on. 61.69.12.19 23:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no continuity with Benson. Sales are almost impossible where IFP is concerned. They keep all that close to their chest (as do most book companies). Influence? I don't see how it can be influential when it is based on a film. That's the film's job. Reception is probably the only thing and it's not something that is in abundance because it is a novelization. K1Bond007 23:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, it's a seperate piece of media. ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 23:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Edifice not Oedipus
The trivia section states that Bond incorrectly stated that Carver had an Oedipus complex. I always thought that Bond in the movie said "Edifice complex." It would make sense since he was talking about how many buildings Carver had in addition to being a witty play-on-words. Is there anyone that can confirm what Bond says? --Ultimo Camdawg 22:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, I guess I wasn't reading it closely enough. It's fine.--Ultimo Camdawg 05:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed Trivia
I have removed a selection of trivia items which are unsourced and as such are original research. They took a variety of 'facts', analysed them and drew conclusions based upon that analysis. If anyone wishes to do this, they need to provide verifiable sources for each one. Cheers, Localzuk(talk) 22:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Original research and unreferenced claims
Please can editors of this article please try and abide by our policies. All statements should be accompanied by a reliable, verifiable source. They should also abide by our neutrality policy and our original research policy. Also, can any editors watching this article please remove such items if they are added as I would end up breaching the 3 revert rule if I did it all myself (as I did today it seems - but I won't be reverting again). Wikipedia should be striving for quality more than quantity of infomation, and according to Jimbo this is our goal for this year. Adding information without sources or full of opinion reduces the quality of the articles on the site and therfore damages the credibility of the site and its community.-Localzuk(talk) 21:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I adjusted the numbers cited in the "Reception and Release" section. Original numbers were 850 million worldwide and stated that Goldeneye was 50 million more. The links supporting it actually state 330 million worldwide and only 20 million more for Goldeneye.--67.232.117.164 (talk) 05:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Rupert Murdoch
How come this article makes no mention of the presumed inspiration for the character of Carver? Surely I'm not the only one who thought it was a thinly veiled caricature Rupert Murdoch, right? 24.215.248.146 01:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC) 8/8/07
 * Find a reliable citable source for it. Although the ending bit about Carver falling from is yacht is obviously a reference to Maxwell but again it needs a citable source before it can be added. - X201 07:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Why not Ted Turner?? 21 March 2008

Rupert Murdoch met his wife, Wendi Deng, who is Asian, at a corporate party which she crashed. In this film, Carver is also captivated by Asian woman (later revealed to be a spy allied with bond) who admits to having crashed the corporate party which they are attending. I doubt this bears mentioning in the article but i couldn't help pointing it out. Now that Rupert Murdoch is beginning to be exposed to have committed much of the same type of behavior as Maxwell, it is interesting how prophetic the movie has turned out to be regarding him, when the character was in fact not meant to be based on Murdoch but Maxwell.--Jdb00 (talk) 19:33, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

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Title Song
The song had two songs entitled "Tomorrow Never Dies", but the more notbale one, the one which garnered the awards, was sung by Sheryl Crow. I could be wrong, but the second song (played over the closeing credits) was sung by KD Lang. I think the distinction need not normally be made for most films, but I think thisis an exception. LonelyBeacon (talk) 19:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Main theme
The infobox is wrong, the main theme for the film was "Surrender" - the song played at the end of the film. The music from this song is played throughout the film. The music from the main song was written independently from the score and therefore did not feature in the film. It can therefore, not be called a theme - let alone the "main theme". Btline (talk) 23:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Films set in Thailand
I note that this film is in the category "Films set in Thailand". I think that filming took place there, but as I recall, the settings of the film never included Thailand ...... just Vietnam and China (as far as Asia went). Am I not remembering this correctly? LonelyBeacon (talk) 05:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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Elliot Carver = Bill Gates?
Elliot Carver maybe could ( ironically? ) refer to Bill Gates, in the film a man says that his new software is ready and that it has intentionally many problems to force the people make many updates.
 * Throughout all the movie I actually had the feeling he was meant to be a parody of Steve Jobs. The presentation with him on the podium, the posters of himself, etc... Nineko (talk) 23:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Interview quote (Götz Otto)
Here, Götz Otto's interview quote is given as "I am big, I am bad, I am blond and I am German", whereas the article about him gives "I'm big, I'm bad, I'm blond, I'm German". The citation given by this article quotes him as saying "Ich bin groß, ich bin böse, und ich bin deutsch", which Google Translate gives as "I'm big, I'm angry and I am German". It would be great if someone could clear up the contradictions. --217.28.7.232 (talk) 22:00, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I know this is old, and it's been kind of corrected, but I've done a bit of ce. "Böse" can mean angry, bad, evil, mean, etc.  When being interviewed for a villian's role the context would most likely be translated as "bad".  As an aside, the quote was incorrect over on Otto's page as well, so I fixed it there.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

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Pre-credits sequence
The airport location is shown as Peyresourde Airport. There doesn't seem to be any such place. Peyresourde is a col in the eastern Pyrenees. I'd suggest that Courchevel Altiport, hundreds of km away from Col de Peyresourde is more likely. The Courchevel runway has the same slope on it, leading to a precipice, that you see in the movie. Jswd (talk) 04:20, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

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Carver and Maxwell analogy
The exact quote from the film is:

"Carver is missing, presumed drowned while on a cruise aboard his luxury yacht in the South China Sea. At present, the local authorities believe the media mogul committed suicide."

The original was closer to the quote. Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * We can't add quoted material that is not in the source. I added quotes to the full amount of material taken from the source, and added an inline attribution. If that is problematic, then just rewrite the sentence to summarize the source article without plagiarism or misleading quotations, such as "when M has Moneypenny issue a press release about Carver drowning". – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 16:46, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * There is irony of telling me not to use a misleading quotation when you just reinstated a misleading quotation. The quote I was using was from the film, not from the source - I even added a mini-ref to support this.  The source is acceptable to use in general, but we should not knowingly use it for a specific quote that isn't even in the film.  Better to remove the entire quote and just use the data from the source instead.  I've rewritten the sentence, which also conveniently removes a bit of a run-on sentence.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the back-up, Chaheel. And my apologies for referring to you as "Charles" in my tweak to your most recent edit in the article. Fleeting dyslexia, AKA carelessness. Xanderox (talk) 01:48, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion in Category:Films set in Oxford
I wondering if there is an issue with this being in Category:Films set in Oxford. Only a tiny part of the film takes place in Oxford and that is not even significant enough to be mentioned in the article. Dunarc (talk) 23:59, 12 December 2021 (UTC)