Talk:Tonawanda, New York/Archive 1

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The City of Tonawanda does NOT border Kenmore, NY. Stepp-Wulf 03:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC).
 * material on "Louis Philip Perew" is suspect due to recent vandalism on other "Tonawanda" pages.Stepp-Wulf 03:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC).
 * It was added with good intentions; I know the person who added it. --ZyRSHNiKaSHNu 20:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The rest of the site cited (ha, that's a homophone) in the paragraph about Louis Perew is actually a very well crafted Steampunk-style historical fiction site. It's so well crafted that it took me aeons to realise that it was fiction at all. As a matter of fact, the reason I'm at this page is that I was researching all the inventors' names just to figure out if this site was for real or not. I vote that the Louis Perew stuff be removed. Most likely not vandalism, but most likely not factual either. --Pdaoust 22:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Stop vandalizing this page. Zyrshnikashnu 00:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Photo request
✅--JBC3 (talk) 20:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC) I may do just that. --ZyRSHNiKaSHNu 18:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 13:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Tonawanda (city), New York → City of Tonawanda — The official name is City of Tonawanda. -—Una Smith (talk) 17:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Note: the talk page of this article already is at Talk:City of Tonawanda. I moved the article and talk page earlier today in the course of disambiguating incoming links to Tonawanda. Another editor moved the article back. --Una Smith (talk) 17:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose Except for a specific group of large cities, all US communities are named [placename], [statename], with the type of community in parentheses before the comma if there are multiple places of that name in the same county. Read the relevant section of WP:PLACE:"The canonical form for cities in the United States is City, State (the 'comma convention'). Those cities that need additional disambiguation include their county or parish (for example Elgin, Lancaster County, South Carolina and Elgin, Kershaw County, South Carolina). If more than one city, town, or census-designated place within the same county has the same name, specify the type of local government unit in parentheses before the comma (e.g., Poughkeepsie (city), New York and Poughkeepsie (town), New York, but not 'Poughkeepsie, New York (city)')."There's no good reason to treat Tonawanda differently from every other community in the United States.  Nyttend (talk) 18:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a very good reason: the name of this city is City of Tonawanda. It is separate from but largely surrounded by the Town of Tonawanda. The reason these two place names are different from others in New York state is that the Town is far larger and more populous than the City, and this causes endless confusion between the two. The City formerly was village of the town, and is no larger than the town's remaining village.  --Una Smith (talk) 18:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose per WP:PLACE. Maybe it should go to City of Tonawanda, New York, but definitely not to the suggested location. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strike that, actually: Tonawanda (city) is correct. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose for the same reason I stated at Talk:Tonawanda (town), New York.  TJ   Spyke   22:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Suggestion What about moving the two pages to Tonawanda, New York (town) and Tonawanda, New York (city)? It looks very odd having the disambiguation appear in the middle of the title. 84.92.117.93 (talk) 15:54, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * See the above quote from WP:PLACE -- the current title is the established standard method for handling this sort of situation. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is quite common in New York (it would be helpful to have an article which explained why). There may be a case for changing all of them; there is no case for changing one and making it an pointless exception. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:29, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not pointless. Contributors should be able to write, and readers should be able to read, Town of Tonawanda and City of Tonawanda.  Simple, accurate, precise, unambiguous, and without needless piping.  I came to this by repairing incoming links to Tonawanda.  I like to use redirects.  On these pages, however, editors came after me, using piping to "bypass" the redirects (contrary to WP:NOTBROKEN).  For example, this edit.  The piping is ugly and a chore to edit, and moreover in the infobox the displayed text conceals which Tonawanda (contrary to WP:EGG).  What editor wouldn't pipe Tonawanda (town), New York just to hide the "(town)"?  I propose moving the pages so piping like this won't be necessary. --Una Smith (talk) 08:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That is not an entirely unreasonable proposal; but it should be proposed for all New York communities, at WT:NCGN and WT:WikiProject New York, not here. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:45, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose, largely per PMAnderson. Current title is weird, but in apparent agreement with conventions; please solve it by changing the conventions, not by just moving this one page. Ucucha 11:08, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose, this fits the conventions and the proposed move would not. No justification for making Tonawanda unique in the nation in how its article is titled.  Per Ucucha, any change needs to happen at the national level, not local.  Powers T 18:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Origin of the word Tonawanda
This article, Tonawanda (city), New York, appears to conflict with the article, Tonawanda Creek, with regard to the origin of the word Tonawanda. I don't know enough about Houdensaunee languages myself to offer a definitive answer. I hope someone with more knowledge than me will make an appropriate and accurate correction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.186.146 (talk) 01:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)