Talk:Toni Kirén

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Toni Kirén → Toni Kiren
 * Support – Contrary to WP:BLP, WP:AT and WP:EN, this article was moved to a non-English title that is not verified by any sources used in the article. Dolovis (talk) 05:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose, the person's surname is Kirén. Another Quijotean attempt by User:Dolovis to particularize the discussion. - Darwinek (talk) 11:07, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:HOCKEY compromise and non-existant guidelines on diacritics in personal names, whether in WP:AT or WP:UE. HandsomeFella (talk) 11:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per all the reason I have given in the last 50 requests by Dolovis. Its really getting tiring having to oppose all these pointy move requests. -DJSasso (talk) 12:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Procedural oppose for me per all the reasons I have ever given on this issue. I'm not exactly sure what kind of success rate Dolovis thinks he's going to have by initiating all of these discussions (I can safely assume every RM he will initiate will at most end in no consensus), other than wasting everyone's time that is. – Nurmsook!  talk...  13:47, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - A quick Google search confirms that Toni Kiren is the commonly used name per WP:COMMONNAME:
 * Toni Kirén = about 937  hits
 * Toni Kiren = about 13,900 hits Dolovis (talk) 13:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You've been shown over and over again that this argument isn't applicable to this situation yet you keep repeating it over and over wasting everyone's time. Each time one of your methods is debunked you try another and another. Surely you have something better to spend your time on. -DJSasso (talk) 13:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONNAME is very applicable to deciding the article's title. Dolovis (talk) 14:53, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It is applicable to determining the articles title. It isn't applicable to determining its use of diacritics. -DJSasso (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, and that is the point of this RM, to determine the article's title – but within the text of the article, pursuant to WP:MOSBIO, the person's legal name should usually appear first in the article.Dolovis (talk) 11:17, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Support as this is the English Wikipedia. GoodDay (talk) 19:23, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose for several reasons: Accuracy (as the proposed title is arguably a grammatical error or misspelling), consistency (as per standard practice with personal names in this language), the recommendations of style guides, the practice in other English-language encyclopedias such as Britannica, harmlessness (as the diacriticless spelling is deducible from the proper name, but not vice versa), pronunciation guidance, informativeness (as our primary purpose as an encyclopedia is to educate the readers by providing accurate, complete and trustworthy information) and respect (as people usually want their name spelled right and knowingly misspelling a living person's name is both unencyclopedic and unethical). Prolog (talk) 20:52, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Subject has no notability in English countries and no authoritative English sources. ʘ alaney2k  ʘ ( talk ) 18:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose European only player. No English language sources. — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;•&thinsp;Contribs) 21:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.