Talk:Toni Stone

birth date Toni Stone
This birth date information was found on Ancestry.com. I haven't edited the text because I'm not sure the citations are allowed.

Name: Marcenia Lyle Alberga Birth - Death: 1921-1996

Source Citation:

California Death Index, 1940-1997 about Marcenia Lyle Alberga Name: 	Marcenia Lyle Alberga [Marcenia Lyle Stone] Social Security #: Sex: 	FEMALE Birth Date: 	17 Jul 1921 Birthplace: 	Minnesota Death Date: 	2 Nov 1996 Death Place: 	Alameda Mother's Maiden Name: 	Smith FATHER'S SURNAME: 	Stone

Source Citation: Place: Alameda; Date: 2 Nov 1996

Source Information: Ancestry.com. California Death Index, 1940-1997 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000. Original data: State of California. California Death Index, 1940-1997. Sacramento, CA, USA: State of California Department of Health Services, Center for Health Statistics.

Description: This database is an index to the death records in State of California, USA, from 1940 through 1997. The database provides such valuable information as first, last and middle names of the descendants, birth dates, mother's maiden name, father's last name, sex, birth place, death place, residence at time of death, death date, social security number (when available), and the age of the individual when they died.

--14:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)Epikoros (talk)

Death reasons?
Are there any reasons how she died? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clrichey (talk • contribs) 18:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Updated article from obit. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 20:08, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Dealing with conflicting source materials
I have been working for many days on expanding Toni Stone's page. Currently, most of my edits are still in my sandbox.

An issue that has become increasingly clear is the multiple and conflicting narratives about her life. Some are pure inventions, often for marketing purposes (e.g., her "$12,000" starting salary with the clowns, and the 10 years that disappeared from her age), and others appear to be errors from misreading of sources over time (e.g., many different last names attributed to her parents; that she "graduated from Roosevelt High School" when she seems to have dropped out -- this tidbit appears to be by way of "after completing grammar school, she entered Roosevelt High..." e.g., Alabama Tribune, Feb 27, 1953).

Weeding through the source materials (on my case so far, 20+ books, contemporary articles, scholarly articles, encyclopedia articles, and 40+ newspaper articles from the 1940s and 1950s) makes it clear that a lot of authoritative-sounding falsehoods are floating around.

So, I am drafting a Misconceptions section for the article. It is too easy to stumble upon misinformation, and takes a lot of work to sort out the truth, so I think it is important to essentially note that in public view. Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 04:35, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * As a follow-up, just want to be clear that (as original research is not allowed) it was necessary to cite Ackmann's book quite often in reworking this page. There is so much messy and conflicting information that Curveball, for which Ackmann did comprehensive comparison of sources and fact-checking, needed to be the "last word" for the present.


 * Nonetheless, as the page now has over fifty footnoted sources and I was able to fact-check and cite most of the content (I am looking now and seeing a few more sentences that need to be fact-checked and fixed, but most of the article has coverage), I went ahead and took off the template stating that it needed citations.

Oughtta Be Otters (talk) 16:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2022
Under Biography, early life. Despite performing well in a city-wide competition, her interest lay with baseball. Change “Despite performing” to “although she performed.” This corrects a dangler. Next graf: It was not as much that Stone did not enjoy intellectual work, she was an avid library patron and reader of The Chicago Defender.

Remove “as much” from this sentence. It’s unnecessary and clogs the sentence. Make the comma a semicolon. Or a period. Both are better ways to join two sentences than a comma. Elrond52 (talk) 19:24, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Add details to this section. Stones husband died on September, 22, 1988 according to this https://www.upi.com/Archives/1988/09/25/Aurelious-Alberga-first-black-Army-officer/4263591163200/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:4480:FED0:0:0:0:244A (talk) 19:55, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- lomrjyo  (✉ • 📝)  23:22, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Disputed 1953 batting average
Twice in the article, it quotes her 1953 batting average as .243 and once it says it was .364. The .243 mark seems to come from the NLBPA and a Wilmington newspaper article, and the .364 comes from a site called MNopedia. At least one of them has to be wrong I guess. Bigrigg47 (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

The source for the .364 batting average has a bibliography. Those sources need to be checked out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stjoan1 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Her 1953 batting average with the Clowns was .243 in 74 at-bats & her 1954 batting average with the Monarchs was .197  in 71 at-bats. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 21:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Somebody got the partial batting average from https://theathletic.com/835452/2019/03/06/the-often-forgotten-legacies-of-negro-leagues-female-players/ Stjoan1 (talk) 03:13, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I think your edit is no longer disputed. At one point during the season it was .364. That is not a season statistic. Stjoan1 (talk) 03:21, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

According to The Athletic article her average was .364 with 25 at bat. She still had about 49 more to go before the end of the season. You were correct to call it dubious. Stjoan1 (talk) 04:28, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Correction after her first 25 games her avg was .364 but she had an additional 25 games to go finishing at .243. Stjoan1 (talk) 04:42, 10 February 2022 (UTC)