Talk:Tony Anthony (evangelist)

Reasons for deletion
I don't know this man, but an apparently open-minded enquiry on a discussion thread at Bullshido.com, seeking evidence for the claims of "three times world champion", concluded that he is a fantasist. The creator of this article previously removed the Bullshido link, but it seems fair to include it here on the talk page: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60260&page=4

Even if there were reliable independent sources, this person does not seem to meet the notability requirements for Wikipedia.

(For the record I have no axe to grind, e.g. I rescued the article on a better-known evangelist, Rico Tice, from proposed deletion.) - Fayenatic (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's one second-hand explanation proffered as to why there are no records of these "world championships": "they are highly illegal". If his grandfather's school is is not a mainstream martial art but a private matter training in lethal techniques, does it really have "world championships"?


 * Judging by customer reviews at amazon.com and amazon.co.uk, many (not all) readers and hearers seem to have been moved and helped by this man's testimony, and I'm pleased to hear that. But it still fails the objective requirements to be kept on Wikipedia. - Fayenatic (talk) 17:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Here is a link to the un-deletion request made on 2 Jan 2012. Bearing in mind WP:DEMOLISH, I will not take any further action to delete the article for a while, to give the anon editor time to add the sources that s/he referred to. However, please see Identifying reliable sources. – Fayenatic (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * In his book Taming the Tiger Anthony claims to have been a Three Tmes World Kung Fu Champion. There is absolutely no proof of this at all, in fact various Kung Fu Associations around the world have sent written confirmation that they have never heard of him, also they were sent photos of Anthony and no one recognised him.
 * The Citations in this Article supporting Anthony's Wiki Page are made by persons and Organisations who have no proof whatsoever of what they are confirming. If they have of course that can posted here, however unsubstantiated articles in Christian Media, Anthony's own Book or Anthony's interviews are not proof of events.


 * Anthony's Wiki Page was deleted several years ago because of his unfounded claims, now this watered down version has been posted but still is full of deception and lies. He has maintained that the Wiki Pages were deleted because of technical errors, untrue, it was because he could not substantiate any of his bogus claims. - Trueornot (talk, contribs) 21:03, 11 February 2012

Revisions in January 2012
The article has just been thoroughly re-written by Erostad (talk). As it stands, large parts of the re-write will have to be reverted as – Fayenatic (talk) 13:52, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) the article should be mainly about the man, but the first para has been written about the organisation; if it meets the notability guideline then it should have its own article, rather than giving excessive info within a biography.
 * 2) the article gives statements of notability without independent citations, e.g. "Master in Kung Fu". His autobiography is not sufficient for this claim.
 * 3) it uses weasel words about Anthony's criminal offences.
 * 4) it still fails to demonstrate notability, without which it is liable to be deleted again.
 * 5) independent sources, and info from them, have been deleted without explanation; some of these might indicate notability.


 * I have reverted Erostad's edits, per WP:BRD. The rewritten article was in serious violation of WP:NPOV and the edits also removed the sources needed to pass WP:GNG. Open to including some of the new material if consensus on this page goes that way. Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 14:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Recreation
I have recreated this article from scratch as I would suggest the subject is now notable. Whilst there is plenty more than could be done, I have taken care to comply with WP:BLP and other policies, so I would hope it can stand and be improved. SmilingFace (talk) 12:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with the decision to re-create the article. As the old one was only deleted for lack of notability & independent sources, I have restored the deleted history of the page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced content - August 2013
I've just reverted some edits by an unregistered user that added some unsourced content. Please remember the verifiability policy is strictly applied to biographies of living persons. If you're not sure about something, discuss it here first. SmilingFace (talk) 09:24, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Many thank, am new to this but have re-edited including links. Hope I have done this in the correct manner. 2.25.103.127 (talk) 11:15, 1 August 2013 (UTC)