Talk:Tony Parker (basketball, born 1993)

Tony Parker Allie LaForce video

 * At least 131,300 views so far on one site. One wishes he has that many views. Ucla90024 (talk) 01:22, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Page move
I moved the page to Tony Parker (college basketball). When he goes pro, we could move it to Tony Parker (American basketball). It doesn't make sense to me why the other Tony Parker does not have a dab, like Tony Parker (French basketball). Yoninah (talk) 19:31, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Tony Parker, the French pro player, is presumably the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, thus there is no disambiguator needed. As for the Tony Parker in this article, I was just following what I thought was the convention in basketball, though I see it is not formally documented at Naming conventions (sportspeople).  I'd imagine most of the time "college basketball" is not used since most American pro players would have also been college players as well, but the main Tony Parker is not American and never played in college.  Therefore, it technically is not a problem.  I'll notify a few of the basketball WikiProjects to see if we have an existing guideline.  Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 22:46, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * why move it from the birth year, which is the standard naming convention? This won't change.  A person is only a college player for a few years.  In 20 years there might be 10 guys named Tony Parker known for basketball and using birth year will keep them straight long-term. The Spurs Tony Parker is a probable Hall of Famer.  It makes sense why he is the primary topic. Rikster2 (talk) 23:03, 30 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Tony Parker should remain where it is and Tony Parker (college basketball) should be moved to Tony Parker (basketball), which is the conventional first order disambiguation for basketball players who are not the primary topic. If other basketball Tony Parkers achieve notability, this Parker could be moved to Tony Parker (basketball, born 1993) as a way to differentiate.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:22, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I would discourage using Tony Parker (basketball), as it is ambiguous which basketball player is being referred to. I would hate to be searching for the NBA's "Tony Parker", see "Tony Parker (basketball)" with the autocomplete feature in the search box, and pick that one, only to end up at the college player's page. For an existing example, there is Isiah Thomas, the retired Hall of Fame basketball player, and Isaiah Thomas (basketball, born 1989), the current basketball player. —Bagumba (talk) 00:48, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Going straight to the conventional second order disambiguation is O.K., but (college basketball) is not an option, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:31, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I would agree with Bagumba that if I saw "Tony Parker (basketball)" I would expect to see the Spur. That's why he is the primary topic.  If the need is there to make "Tony Parker" a DAB page, then the Spur should become "Tony Parker (basketball, born 1982)."  But IMO, it is wholly appropriate that TP is the primary topic. Rikster2 (talk) 01:09, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If the pro player is the primary topic (and I think he is), it should remain at Tony Parker. However, Tony Parker (basketball, born 1982) could redirect to the primary topic, so those looking at the autocomplete options will know there are multiple basketball players to choose from.—Bagumba (talk) 02:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. and, are you aware that because of the spelling differences between Isiah Thomas and Isaiah Thomas, Isaiah Thomas (basketball, born 1989) will not come up in the autocomplete element of the WP search box?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:03, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I never brought up Thomas. But the redirect solution Bagumba suggested fixes any issue in this case. The Spurs' Tony Parker is a HOFers and this one is a relatively minor figure in basketball.  If another Patrick Ewing came along it wouldn't move the current one out of being the primary topic. Rikster2 (talk) 12:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , I am not suggesting that Isiah Thomas should be moved, I was saying that the reason for placing Isaiah Thomas (basketball, born 1989) where it is rather than at (basketball) seems dubious. Isaiah Thomas (basketball) redirects to Isaiah Thomas (basketball, born 1989) so if the reason to have the article located at Isaiah Thomas (basketball, born 1989) is to eliminate search box issues, that makes no sense. The page should be moved to Isaiah Thomas (basketball) unless that is redirecting to the HOFer.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:58, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Tony, if both the Thomases were spelled the same, would you agree with the use of "(basketball, born XXXX)"? Or what else would you propose?—Bagumba (talk) 18:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * i think the HOFer should have a hatnote saying Isiah Thomas (basketball) redirects here, for the xxchoose descriptorxx see Isaiah Thomas (basketball).--166.175.60.9 (talk) 02:55, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * that was me above. i am on my iphone-TTT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.175.60.9 (talk) 02:57, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any consensus to have moved this to Tony Parker (college basketball). The original move rationale was "no other Tony Parker pages contain birthdates", but there is precedent to use birthdates in other basketball articles. No prejudice if consensus forms to rename to something else. In the meantime, falling back to prior status quo of Tony Parker (basketball, born 1993).—Bagumba (talk) 07:02, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , you missed my reply above. Here are what I think the four articles should be named now with a hatnote for each:
 * Tony Parker: Tony Parker (basketball) redirects here, for the UCLA Bruin basketball player see Tony Parker (basketball, born 1993), for other uses see Anthony Parker (disambiguation).
 * Tony Parker (basketball, born 1993): none
 * Isiah Thomas: Isiah Thomas (basketball) redirects here, for the 2010s professional basketball player see Isaiah Thomas (basketball), for other uses, see Isiah Thomas (disambiguation).
 * Isaiah Thomas (basketball): This page is for the 2010s professional basketball player, for the HOF American basketball player, see Isiah Thomas


 * I am finally back home on my own computer.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:22, 2 May 2015 (UTC)