Talk:Tony Rice (gridiron football)

Proposition 48
I'm a little confused as to why "Proposition 48" is at all significant to this article. The article begins by saying that "Rice was one of the first (and few) Notre Dame players ever admitted under the NCAA rules of Proposition 48." Huh? Don't all athletes have to qualify under Prop. 48 in order to compete? What's so special about Rice in this regard?

Then the article goes to great lengths to explain what it is and what the qualifications are, only to reveal at the end that Rice did not qualify for Proposition 48, and therefore had to sit out his freshman year just like everybody else. So, isn't it a contradiction to say that he "was admitted" under Prop. 48 if he actually, y'know, wasn't???

The only thing that would make sense is if the writer meant to say that Rice was the first ND player to be disqualified under Prop. 48. But that's the exact opposite of what they actually wrote. -- Trowbridge (talk) 22:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Following up on my previous comment, I read the referenced Sports Illustrated artice, which I believe may be the source of much of the confusion.

First of all, SI is a notoriously innacurate source. It's more like a tabloid than a legitimate sports magazine. And this article in particular contains a few factual errors, including the claim that Rice was "the first black full-time starting quarterback for Notre Dame." That would actually be Cliff Brown in 1971.

But it's the following quote that makes no sense: "But Tony Rice was more than an ethnic pioneer. He was an academic pilgrim as well, the university's first Prop 48 student-athlete." As I explained before, all student-athletes from 1986 onward who played as freshmen were "Prop 48 student-athletes"—a fact that seems lost upon this writer. And since Rice was in fact disqualified under Prop 48, the fact remains that he wasn't the first, nor was he ever, a Prop 48 athlete.

In light of the preceding data, I am revising the article. -- Trowbridge (talk) 14:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 12:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Arch-rival Miami??
"Michigan, USC, and arch-rival Miami"??

USC is Notre Dame's arch-rival. And, at least nowadays, Michigan is its second-biggest rival. Maybe that wasn't the case in 1988, I'm not sure, but certainly USC was always the team's #1 rival. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.141.68.2 (talk) 14:40, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. Granted, ND-Miami was a huge rivalry in the 1980s, but USC has unquestionably been the "arch-rival" of ND since the 1920s. —Trowbridge (talk) 18:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Avoiding sportscaster grammar
--Jollyox (talk) 23:58, 16 October 2009 (UTC) Why is there now a "would" epidemic in writing about sports? I remember when Notre Dame simply finished or endured or went; now they would finish, would endure, and would go. This is bad grammar, and it reads like ex-jock sportscasters sound: ignorant but wanting to seem important. Let's try not to become part of the problem. Past tense is perfectly acceptable, and at times is necessary if we wish not to look and sound like morons who try and fail to be eloquent.

Tony Rice Task
I'm going to try and improve Tony Rice's Wikipedia biography when I get extra time -- which has been an adventure lately. Still, this guy is too great -- and what he's done in college football's history shouldn't go unnoticed here. He deserves recognition.

I will try and get a photo established on his page which won't be easy. Either way, I'll try. I also want to pick up the literature of his career at Notre Dame as well. Nothing is mentioned about his 11-1 Notre Dame team from 1989. And a very similar QB leads 11-0 Notre Dame right now named Everett Golson. I'll get to this project when I can. Rod Hayes (talk) 00:23, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Career Record
In Conclusion to Sr. year and career at Notre Dame, the article states Rice's record as 31-4. However, every mention of Rice's record I have ever seen has his record as 28-3. Indeed, the Notre Dame record for career quarterback wins is given as 29 wins. Are games he played in, but didn't start being included in this 31-4 figure? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:700B:4A00:1F5:B848:A018:DB09 (talk) 01:35, 9 January 2017 (UTC)