Talk:Tools for Conviviality

Someone should copy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Illich#Tools_for_Conviviality and paste it here. I would if I knew how to do so with the references intact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.224.207 (talk) 19:17, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

English word
Use ‘summary’ instead of ‘resume’? 2601:14C:4080:CBD0:0:0:0:A7B8 (talk) 07:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Quote mistakenly attributed to Illich
A quote from the article is mistakenly attributed to Illich: "He wrote that "[e]lite professional groups ... have come to exert a 'radical monopoly' on such basic human activities as health, agriculture, home-building, and learning, leading to a 'war on subsistence' that robs peasant societies of their vital skills and know-how. The result of much economic development is very often not human flourishing but 'modernized poverty', dependency, and an out-of-control system in which the humans become worn-down mechanical parts.""

This quotation does not appear at all in Illich's book, but comes from an analysis of the book published in "The American Conservative" written by Chase Madar : https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-peoples-priest/

This Wikipedia's error has spread. It can be found on many websites and, for example, in Bollier and Elfrich's book "Free, Fair and Alive: The Insurgent Power of the Commons" p.191 Promeneurb (talk) 14:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)


 * That text was copied in from in 2020. Part of the dangers of copying uncited text. I'll revert it.  czar  15:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Felsenstein


Surely there would be a better (secondary?) source for the claim that Lee Felsenstein was "significantly influenced" by this book, than mentioning it once in a xeroxed page of the People's Computer Company Newsletter. czar 15:09, 22 December 2023 (UTC)