Talk:Toowoomba Bypass

Requested move 16 April 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved buidhe 20:57, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Toowoomba Second Range Crossing → Toowoomba Bypass – It is the current official name as per TMR website and on Linkt. Marcnut1996 (talk) 03:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. buidhe 05:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 22:54, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The political rebranding of this major road project may or may not be successful. Andrewa (talk) 16:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: We generally go by WP:COMMONNAME not WP:OFFICIALNAME. Can anyone comment on what the commonname is? buidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 05:10, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Toowooomba Bypass is also the common name. Also roads in Australia are named accordingly to WP:AURDNAME. Marcnut1996 (talk) 06:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That makes two new arguments, and either might be valid (unlike the nomination). But no evidence has been provided as to what the common name really is. Both names have been used right from the start of the project, depending on the context which has generally been political. And the other argument appears to make the common name completely irrelevant anyway.
 * Which leads us to the Naming Convention, yes, that does indeed say Roadways are named by their current public official name as listed in the appropriate government gazette [preferred], or as otherwise used for general administrative purposes, and not their common name, or their internal name according to the relevant government department. And this appears to be official, although in view of the departure from the general policy I would have preferred to see that RfC at WT:AT rather than Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Australian roads) where it had little participation and only rough consensus even then. It is stated there that the RfC was widely publicised, but links to these heads-ups were not provided at the time, which is also unfortunate. Andrewa (talk) 17:22, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Support It is common for construction projects to have a project name (eg "second range crossing") but that completed roads acquire a different name or acquire the name of the highway that was replaced or extended by the project. https://qldglobe.information.qld.gov.au/ shows the Toowoomba Bypass. Google Streetview shows that the northern part of the road is signposted as Warrego Highway but merging part of this article to Warrego Highway would require splitting the north and west parts into different highways, and make a disproportionate focus on small parts of a long highway. It will be better to keep this article in one piece like Gawler Bypass. --Scott Davis Talk 14:22, 27 April 2020 (UTC)


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Dividing ?
Does "Second Range" refer to the "Great Dividing Range". Wimbledon32 (talk) 03:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes and no.
 * No, because it's the second range crossing, not a crossing of the second range. So Second Range doesn't mean anything here.
 * (And both are very scenic, just BTW... drive towards Brisbane at the right time of day and it's a bit like Roger Dean at his best.)
 * But yes, the range is the Great Dividing Range. And be very careful using that term too. Lithgow, New South Wales for example is West of the Range, but East of the Divide. Andrewa (talk) 17:10, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Damage and closures
Plenty of news sources etc for someone who has time to add it. 220.240.52.191 (talk) 13:46, 21 April 2023 (UTC)