Talk:Topsite

Prep
Can someone add some info about 'prepping'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arkansaw (talk • contribs) 17:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Nuke
I got in this page through "nuke"

I have read the page and now I still dont know what nuking is or how its done (in the warez scene).

82.92.111.48 18:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Try reading this older revision of the article
 * 84.251.9.239 11:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't it still be listed in the current version? --Hm2k 10:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, "nuke" definitely leads a definition or needs to link to one. Also, "colo" is used without explanation/link. Bobbyi 14:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

There enjoy some more info on nuking. Avarice7DS 17:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

How do you guys know this stuff, are you all sceners? If so what groups ;-)
 * Ex-scener.  ALKIVAR &trade;Radioactivity symbol.png 01:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You should be arrested for being a pirate and raising the costs of software, movies, and music. 12.219.74.52 06:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You should be arrested for believing all the crap that organisations like the mpaa say.
 * Maybe you should get a job so you can afford stuff.
 * Pretty lame comments, wikipedia is about informations not arguing.
 * If you look at the prices for an average album from before and after napster (ie: a record store and itunes) you'll see that your argument is comepletely unfounded. If anything, piracy has actually lowered the prices of music and other media.
 * If pirating music kills the music industry, shouldn't it be legal to pirate child porn just in order to kill the child porn industry? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.201.233.7 (talk) 20:25, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I reverted the page back to version by User:S33k3r and added some info which was removed previously. Reference 3 works as a reference for group admin aswell, since it's mentioned there. I agree with User:67.182.140.115 that forum posts alone are not valid citable sources, but it seems to be complimentary with reference 3 which has more detailed information about nuking, atleast on the technical process. As for the linkop thing, I reverted it aswell. Standard (warez) article seems to be entirely based on information that can be cited only from NFO files. For warez related articles, I would consider NFO files valid source, since this stuff isn't something you can go and research in a library.

Pda 17:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't see how NFO files can be a valid source, they are not 2nd party journalism, they are first party editorials. Nfos can be written by anyone, modified heavily as they are passed from the source, and a frequently contradicted by other nfos. Since they are not reported by a peer reviewed or reputable 2nd party source, quoting them is original research, akin to quoting a conversation in an IRC channel.

None of this information is verifiable, it's just conjecture based on dubious sources. No reputable source has ever published a detailed account as to the specific workings of the release scene and as such this article shouldn't go into those workings, such as linkops vs siteops and how nuking works, etc.

67.182.140.115 08:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The NFO's referenced here are scene notices. Those are distributed usually in unpacked(easier to read) and packed form(for verification). The packed form has checksum attached.
 * There are also nfos without packaging, but general scene conduct dictates that you do not edit material once it's released, and that includes nfos. (hence .nfofix. releases)
 * In most cases, you would need siteop privileges to edit uploaded material.
 * In order to change the NFO, you'd have to unpack and repack the archive, which would change the checksum, and you can easily verify that the checksum is invalid if you try to upload the changed version to another server with original SFV. The server would just reject the modified version.
 * Same works the other way around. And if the uploader notices that the two packages differ, the contents can be compared.
 * I would consider dupecheck to be peer reviewing, invalid/bad stuff gets nuked.
 * Nfos are a bit dubious source for information, but until someone actually publishes real article, those are the next best thing to reference to.
 * S33k3r 09:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * S33k3r 09:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ridiculous. The fact is that NFOs are first hand accounts, they are not verifiable sources (read WP:VS). Using them as sources is original research, no question. Just because there is no good verifiable source for something, according to the basic policies of wikipedia is not an excuse for publishing information based on bad sources.
 * Also, not all NFOs are packed in the release, for example ISO releases (which are most commonly found on topsites) are not distributed with checksummed infos, only the data is.
 * Since you agree that NFos are a dubious source, I'll go ahead and get rid of all the un-sourced information through the article to improve its verifiability.
 * 67.182.140.115 22:04, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Since you agree that NFos are a dubious source, I'll go ahead and get rid of all the un-sourced information through the article to improve its verifiability.
 * 67.182.140.115 22:04, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 67.182.140.115 22:04, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't want this turning into a revert war, so here's link to the old revision which contains disputed information, incase someone reading this page later wants to find it faster.
 * Disputed version of the article which uses source information from NFO files.
 * S33k3r 19:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

FTP daemons
In older versions of this page there was these: FTP daemons

* glFTPd * DrFTPD * ioFTPD * RaidenFTPD

Now there is only glFTPd listed, what's going on? --Hm2k 10:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's censorship by user(s) from 67.182.140.x range. Instead of using "citation needed"-tags, they keep deleting the information as unsourced.
 * S33k3r 23:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Bot vs Sitebot
Bots are common on IRC networks, and may provide any number of services. Sitebots are particular bots that represent topsites, providing one specific service. Sitebot is common usage for a topsite bot; any other sort of bot would simply be called a bot. The only comparitive example I can think of is tin vs caketin :) 153.111.226.201 00:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

SWEDupe no longer works.
use instead: dupe.sabeln.org

Verbatim copy
A little too much of this article is a verbatim copy of this one: http://www.aboutthescene.com/thescene/system.html 89.134.206.47 21:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering the age of the article its most likely the other way around. People copy large parts of Wikipedia articles all the time. I think I actually noticed this particular site when checking for references to use in other articles. Tothwolf (talk) 21:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * As mentioned above, considering all information posted to Wikipedia is automatically made available under Creative Commons, its not uncommon for a person to copy and paste the entire article. ⒺⓋⒾ ⓁⒼⓄ ⒽⒶⓃ ②  talk 02:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Glftpd
I propose we merge that article here. The software seems no longer developed, and about all that I could find in secondary sources, I already added to the article. It still doesn't look like it will survive an AfD (I deprodded it) because the depth of coverage in any particular source is a couple of paragraphs at the most. Pcap ping  23:05, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I suggest to keep the article. Articles of death people aren't removed either. This seems historically important enough and is still being used, even when the project is dead. It's software, thus it's rarely covered in depth besides the original documentation: http://forum.glftpd.com/files/docs/glftpd.docs and tutorials on the Internet + it isn't a tool to be used directly by the end user.
 * This is an online encyclopedia, not a book. Please do not delete little interesting articles. Wikipedia is often the fist (and last) objective resource for these (old) topics. Ondertitel (talk) 12:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not a discussion to delete the info in that article from Wikipedia completely (I added most of it, and it's verifiable), but whether to merge it here (and turn that article into a WP:REDIRECT) because the main use of that software seems to be running warez (top)sites. Pcap ping  13:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

wikileaks cable
There's a Seoul cable entitled Rok: Topsites Conference Yields Strategy For Investigation And Enforcement on the topic. There's also a rs, covering it:torrentfreak. Smallman12q (talk) 15:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Ranking topsites
The practice of ranking topsites isn't mentioned here at all. Info about it can be found in the book "Software Piracy Exposed". Does this practice still exist? --Ondertitel (talk) 16:59, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


 * No, autotrading killed the courier scene long ago. 27.96.199.20 (talk) 12:32, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

"Location"?
Was it on the darkweb or the standard web? Could it be found without being referred to it specifically? Setenzatsu.2 (talk) 23:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)