Talk:Torbesh

They are not Slav Macedonian. They are Avars, a group related with the Albanians. Caucasoid Albanians that is to say. (edit by User:213.187.200.171)


 * Can you offer any sources for this? A book, or even something online? Aldux 22:49, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

No written sources. But from what I have learned and seen. I can tell by looking at them that they are of Albanian facial expression. They don't look like Macedonian and they don't behave like Macedonian. Also the Slavic attribute in Macedonian is insignificant because the Slavic in Macedonians is of very low significant. Macedonians are slavic speaking although they are not a Slavic people. Only adapted the Slavic language.

- what a joke this User:213.187.200.171 is. Is this the kind of person that edits and shapes Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.128.69 (talk) 13:19, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

From Greekhelsinki.gr
"The Muslim Macedonians, known as Torbeshi, traditionally have been closely associated with the Turks; and at various periods, many of them did identify themselves as Turks (Poulton, 1997:93-4). More problematic, however, for both the Yugoslav and the Macedonian authorities has been the increased Albanian influence among the Torbeshi. In response to that development in 1970, the Torbeshi community founded the Republican Community for Cultural and Scientific Events of the Macedonian Muslims. Set up with the approval of the authorities, the organization claimed that since the Second World War, more than 70,000 of their members had been assimilated by other Muslim groups, mostly by the Albanians. Although the organization had some success in bolstering Muslim identity, the Torbeshi remained prone to assimilation by the Albanian majority. In 1990, the chairman of the Muslim organization, Riza Memedovski, sent an open letter to the Chairman of the Party for Democratic Prosperity of Macedonia. Talking of a “quiet assimilation,” he accused the PDP of using religion in an attempted “Kosovoization and Albanization of western Macedonia” (Poulton, 1997:94). In their defense, Albanian leaders claimed that Muslim Slavs were often forcibly prevented from voting for the PDP candidates during the November 1990 elections."

Center for Documentation and Information on Minorities in Europe-Southeast Europe (CEDIME-SE) (unsigned message by User:FrancisTyers)

Merging to Macedonian Muslims
I support merging this article to Macedonian Muslims article because the most common name of this ethic group is Macedonian Muslims. Also, not to forget that the name Torbesh is sometimes considered pejorative. As suggested in Merging and moving pages, I will wait for several days (a period to generate a consensus or period of silence) before merging of the articles. MatriX 10:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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