Talk:Tori Amos discography

Worldwide sales
I have commented out the "Worldwide sales" column in the table as these are not properly sourced. When the numbers can be backed up with reliable sources it can be reincluded. &mdash; Sam 15:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Light Princess?
Considering the fact that Tori generally doesn't release the names or tracklists of her new albums until about a month or two before they're released, I find it incredibly doubtful that she's already released the name of her 2009 album. As such, I'm going to remove it, and would not like to see it come back without a source. Ric | opiaterein 19:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

EPs vs. Singles
As far as I am aware, there are only two releases which Tori has put out defined as E.P.'s - "Crucify" (the United States released CD version) and "Hey Jupiter" (the United States released CD version.) All other discs released that are not albums have been classified as singles. Unless anyone can prove otherwise I am reducing the E.P. section to these two items. TheGoonSquad 19:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's tricky business, but just for the sake of completeness I think a more liberal definition of "EP" should be used here. Generally a commercial single is no more than two or three tracks. Numerous Amos "singles" have upwards of three or four, which in my mind constitute more than a single. Samuel Grant (talk) 03:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Scarlet's Hidden Treasures is another EP. Even though it's not sold separately from Welcome to Sunny Florida, it's still an EP. --Pisceandreams (talk) 17:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Changing the album colours
Just wondering, in the Singles and Music Videos part, instead of having them grouped by colour, what about changing it to have another field in the tabel called Album, like how its done on many other discography pages —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.69.73 (talk) 15:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that the color-coded grouping is not the best way to go. I've added an 'Album' column to the singles chart. To create a bit more space, I removed the flag icons for the countries. When I get a chance, or if someone wants to have fun with it, the same can be done to the Music Videos chart. --Pisceandreams (talk) 00:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
I've just added a discography infobox. I was initially very surprised one had not been added, but then I quickly realized that maybe one hadn't been added due to the difficulty of deciphering which releases count as which type of release. What I've added thus far is by no means accurate or complete.

For example, the number of singles could be open to varying interpretation. I think that such things could be discussed here at the discussion page so that we can agree on what constitutes a single and based on that, how many singles there are. Looking forward to working with you guys to come up with an accurate and comprehensive Tori Amos discography page. --Pisceandreams (talk) 16:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Live Albums and Official Bootlegs
Wouldn't it make more sense to merge them (or at least put them closer to each other)? Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 05:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As I implemented the infobox, I thought the same thing: what is the difference between a live album and an official bootleg? Is there a difference? Anyone care to clarify and/or chime in?--Pisceandreams (talk) 12:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I think the distinction is just that the live album is a singular release whereas the bootlegs consists of multiple releases each. Thing is, I don't know how strong of a distinction that is but I still feel they should be placed right after each other on the page. Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 14:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried rearranging the order, but the infobox is a template and the first several listings (all the way through Tribute Albums) are fixed and cannot be rearranged. I do agree with you that it might be best to list Live Albums and Official Bootlegs right after each other, but I don't know if/how that can be done. --Pisceandreams (talk) 02:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess lump them together? Is there any way it can be changed to "Live Works" instead of "Live Albums"? Butterfly0fdoom (talk) 06:11, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Even though it will go against the order listed in the infobox, I'm moving the "Official Bootlegs" section to immediately follow the "Live Albums" section. At least the ToC will display the correct order of the sections. --Pisceandreams (talk) 13:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

AUS peak chart positions (singles)
I've removed the following singles chart positions because I can't seem to find any documentation for them: "Crucify" - 83 "God" - 65 "Pretty Good Year" - 85 "Caught a Lite Sneeze" - 51 "Blue Skies" - 93 "Raspberry Swirl" - 57 "Glory of the '80s" - 81 If someone can find a source, please add these back and note the source. --Pisceandreams (talk) 02:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have returned the Australian ARIA chart peaks beyond #50 back to the table. The australian-charts.com reference only has top 50 positions.  ARIA Chart positions beyond #50 were only available through a chart subscription.  I am an avid Australian music chart enthusiast, and have the printed weekly top 100 ARIA Chart from this period in my possession.  Although there is no website to verify them, the charts are available in several State Libraries throughout Australia. Nqr9 (talk) 03:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you give me as much information as possible about where this info originally appeared-- name of newspaper/magazine/book, name of publisher, dates of these publications, etc? I'm working on getting this article to featured status and I want to be sure that everything is properly sourced. Thanks so much for your help and input. --Pisceandreams (talk) 13:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've left a message on your talk page outlining the sources Nqr9 (talk) 22:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Fire to your Plain
The video to this track from Abnormally Attracted to Sin was on Perez Hilton's site earlier this year (link here http://perezhilton.com/category/tori-amos/ scroll down a little). Was it ever released as a single? 86.134.91.217 (talk) 16:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * "Fire To Your Plain" was not released as a single. Videos (or visualettes, according to Amos) were shot for almost all tracks on Abnormally Attracted to Sin, but that doesn't qualify them all as singles. In the US, the only official single released from the album was "Welcome to England". --Pisceandreams (talk) 18:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

source(s) for US AAA Radio peak chart positions
I've noticed that people have been adding peak chart positions for songs on the US AAA Radio chart. Can you provide a source for these? Billboard tracks them only as recently as 2006 or 2007. Amos has songs that placed on the chart before that time, and it would be nice to provide a source. --Pisceandreams (talk) 18:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

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Too many different Billboard charts listed in Singles table?
Does anyone else think there are currently too many Billboard charts listed in the Singles table? Currently there are 5 Billboard chart columns, taking up half of the table. Given that none of these charts are wholly sales-based, I think the number could be reduced, and other national, sales-based charts (e.g. Ireland, although a smaller market) included. To those of us living outside the USA, the 'Modern Rock', 'Adult Contemporary' and 'Adult Album Alternative' charts are pretty much meaningless.Nqr9 (talk) 01:01, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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Y Kant Tori Read
I mean, this album belongs here since it's a Tori Amos album. The only question, is it separated out as an album by the band "Y Kant Tori Read" of which Tori Amos was a member, or a Tori Amos album? I'm putting it in as a Tori Amos album because Tori was the singer and frontman and wrote all the songs (some with Kim Bullard). The band members on their one album besides Amos were the drummer (Matt Sorum), guitarist Steve Caton who after all continued on as the guitarist on her other albums without being consider a co-member of a band with her, "various studio musicians", and Bullard on keyboard. Whether they had a bass player or ever toured or even performed live I don't know. Plus, the band has Tori's name it it, and it seems to be treated in the article as a Tori Amos album. Whether it's Tori Amos or a band is a matter of semantics. Herostratus (talk) 02:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * While Tori may have been the "frontman" of the band, it was definitely a band and not a solo project. For that reason, I don't think the album belongs on this page, unless perhaps there is a separate 'Y Kant Tori Read' section.  It is not a solo Tori Amos album, and was not marketed as such.  That it may be thought of as a 'Tori' album now by fans is irrelevant.Nqr9 (talk) 05:52, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmnh. So should Planet Waves not be listed as a solo Bob Dylan album? The other musicians were The Band (who unlike Amos's backing musicians were a real band who toured and made albums). And they were credited on the album cover -- it says "Bob Dylan with The Band" (on the back; there's no credit on the front). But Dylan wrote and sang all the songs and is the star, so fine. And Dylan could hire and fire them at will. In the article Y Kant Tori Read it says (emphasis added) "A music video for their song 'The Big Picture' was made, but the only member of the band featured was Amos, since by then, unable to withstand pressure from Atlantic Records, she had jettisoned the rest of them with the exception of Steve Caton." Sounds like backing musicians for a studio project to me. Real band break up, they don't get fired. Backing musicians get fired. And it's not like the musicians ever toured together (I gather) or even appeared live anywhere. And so really the only thing is how the album is credited, but so what? Anybody can write anything on a cover. If it had been credited to the Rolling Stones, would that make it Rolling Stones album? Cruising with Ruben & the Jets is still a Mothers Of Invention album (and is listed in their discography) regardless of what is says on the cover. Atlantic Records decided it would sell better if credited to a band (I guess), but so.


 * And anyway... "Meet The Beatles" is not an album titled "Meet" by The Beatles. Y Kant Tori Read (album) says "Due to the title, some critics believed the album was a solo project by a woman named 'Tori Read'. This was compounded by the fact that Amos is billed simply as 'Tori' in the liner notes." They didn't think it was "Y Kant" by "Tori Read", but rather "Y Kant Tori Read" by Tori Read. Her name is not Read, but it is Tori (and was credited that way). So her name in the middle of the title, so? An album called "Meet The Beatles Today" would not be "Meet Today" by "The Beatles".


 * So IMO it's not a service to the reader to imply that this was any different from any other Tori Amos album. But... fine. You may be right. It's out now, so let it stay out, lets see if anybody else has an opinion. If not, we can put it back in later as an album by a band of which she was a member. Herostratus (talk) 08:31, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * "Amos" does not appear anywhere in the liner notes of (the original 1988 pressing, anyway; I'm not sure about the 2017 reissue) the Y Kant Tori Read album. While only Tori appears on the album cover, publicity shots for the album included the other band members.  It was not marketed as a solo project, even though Tori was the face of the band.  I was a big fan of Amos' music in the 90s, and, if my memory is correct, I believe the band played one live show together.  Checking now - that is correct: ""The band was together for about two years. We rehearsed three times a week and only played one gig. That's all we did - we stayed in the rehearsal studio, made a tape, got signed, and split up." [Keyboard - September 1992]" (see http://www.yessaid.com/timeline6.html).  Note: Amos herself refers to it as "the band" and that they "split up".  You don't "split up" with studio musicians who are employed for that album/project only; you may not work with them again, but you don't split up.Nqr9 (talk) 12:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
 * OK. Fair enough. Herostratus (talk) 04:21, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Tear In Your Hand
Didn't Tori Amos release a single called "Tear in Your Hand"? It does not seem to be included in the list of singles here. YTKJ (talk) 21:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * One solution is to research about the song, determine if it was a single, find a citation to support the listing, then go ahead and list it on the page. The wiki part of Wikipedia indicates that this is a communal encyclopedia and you can go ahead and list items, just try to be right and try to support your listings. Thanks. Mburrell (talk) 01:41, 4 December 2021 (UTC)