Talk:Tornado outbreak of May 10–13, 2010

Referencing issues
We've got problems. In most of our recent tornado outbreak articles, the references aren't "filled out"...for example, the difference in these:

Filled out:

Not filled out:
 * http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/2007/ww0227.html
 * Etc.
 * Etc.

In order for articles to pass GA or FA, the references need to be filled out. This is a problem Tornado ran into on its recent Featured Article Review. Thegreatdr is correct when he says WikiProject Severe Weather needs to focus on quality. I'd really like to see outbreak articles getting to GA and FA.

Ok, sorry. Just my "rant of the day" so to speak. Let's all try to work on referencing. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 04:39, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Unconfirmed ratings
Some IP already placed ratings for some of the OKC and surroundings tornadoes including the Choctaw and Norman ones but no PNS has been issued and KOCO and KFOR does not have the ratings as well. Don't put ratings based only on estimations by the storm chasers or weather presenters - Mike Morgan and David Payne at KFOR (and probably the other ones at KOCO and KWTV as well) often brings up ratings estimations by just see the size of the funnel or initial damage observations well before the actual storm. Only NWS Tulsa and NWS Wichita have ratings confirmed. So the last edits were reverted. JForget 07:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Norman put out their preliminaries since then, from what I can tell. On a different note, what do we do with all those tornadoes that the Goodland office doesn't seem to want to survey? This is two outbreaks in a row they didn't do a damage survey on the tornadoes in their area, so I don't see how we can "confirm" those tornadoes. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 21:03, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It does seem Goodland (and Dodge City) don't want to confirm their tornadoes? Of course, they will most likely be almost all EF0 due to lack of damage, but we cannot confirm them without a backing source. It is not uncommon in these small rural offices though - June 2009 (which had no major outbreaks but steady activity throughout) went from 110 or so initially confirmed tornadoes to 270 in Storm Data as a result. CrazyC83 (talk) 03:28, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Move request

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Page moved to Early-May 2010 tornado outbreak. There's general consensus that Oklahoma should go from the title, and if so, we need a specification because there are other May 2010 tornado outbreak. I used "Early-May" instead of "Early May" for consistency with various articles titled "Late-May 2010 tornado outbreak" and similar, though I am not sure whether the hyphen is grammatically correct. Ucucha 13:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

May 2010 Oklahoma tornado outbreak → — Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:03, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

About a third of the tornadoes occurred outside of Oklahoma. TheAustinMan (talk) 20:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I would tend to support this move, but think the target page should be Early May 2010 tornado outbreak, because there will likely be another outbreak later in May, and should that happen it would be nice to have May 2010 tornado outbreak to use as a disambiguation page (which it is currently being used as). Ks0stm (T•C•G) 21:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * It would agree with naming it Early May 2010 tornado outbreak, but I think that decision would have to be put on-hold until another tornado outbreak occurs in May. The name might also be confused with the April-May 2010 tornado outbreak, which also happened in early May. I'd keep with proposing the name change to May 2010 tornado outbreak. It would also occur to me I would have to tweak the article up more. May 10 was the primary date of tornadic activity, but the same storm system also produced more tornadoes over the next few days. TheAustinMan (talk) 21:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I can see the wisdom in keeping the May 12 tornadoes on there, but the tornadoes on May 13th may be overkill if there's not more than two. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 22:22, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm on the fence. There is a good point made in that a lot of the tornadoes happened in neighboring states. However, the case for leaving Oklahoma in there is because nearly all the major tornadoes happened in that state. As for the date point, not necessary now as it wouldn't be disambiguated, but if another outbreak happens later in May (likely, but not imminent - then again, from 2005 to 2009, only one of those years had a major outbreak in May beyond the 15th), then make a second move. CrazyC83 (talk) 23:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * A geographical reference point would still be be appropriate, along the lines of May 2010 United States tornado outbreak or May 2010 Central United States tornado outbreak if a move is insisted upon. Labattblueboy (talk) 04:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - now that the month is almost over, has there been another May tornado outbreak?   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 12:42, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Two. Mid-May 2010 tornado outbreak and Late-May 2010 tornado outbreak. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 13:13, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

End date
As has just been done, I believe this outbreak needs cut off sometime after the 12th, as the original system moved east and stopped producing tornadoes. The tornadoes that followed were a separate system that followed closely on the heels of the first system, and do not warrant the continuation of the outbreak. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 23:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Fatalities
The article states that there were two fatalities associated with this outbreak, but it was widely reported on May 10 that there were at least 5 fatalities. On May 11, the media reported at least 7. Here is one article reporting 7 fatalities: http://newsok.com/oklahoma-tornadoes-seventh-tornado-fatality-reported/article/3460519?custom_click=headlines_widget 68.97.3.97 (talk) 18:04, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not sure what to do in this situation, because the official reports at this point indicate two people are dead as a result of the storms. When the National Climatic Data Center's storm data for the event is released, the final total of deaths can be determined, but at this point, sources contradict each other. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 21:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * SPC now shows 2 fatalities for the Moore/Choctaw tornado.  JForget  17:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

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