Talk:Toronto propane explosion/Archive 1

Force of explosion?
So how many kiloton was this explosion? Looks like it might belong on the wikipedia list of largest non-atomic explosions
 * I don't think its ever been said; there's still lots that we don't know about the explosions and the investigations as to the cause of them are going fairly slow.--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 12:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is unlikely it even cam close to yield of a Large conventional bomb let alone topping the list of largest non nuclear explosions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.27.132 (talk) 13:40, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Random thoughts
Some clarity is desperately needed in this article.

Where did the explosions happen?

a) Sunrise Propane

1031 Wilson Avenue, North York, ON M3K 1G7

Telephone : 416-398-5446

http://yellowpages.ca/bus/Ontario/North-York/Sunrise-Propane/2561562.html?adid=01070540

b) Sunrise Propane Industrial Gases

54 Murray Road

North York, Ontario M3K 1T2

http://www.sunrisegases.com/contacts.aspx

c) Sunrise Propane Industrial Gas

1183-A-5 Finch W, North York, ON, M3J 3E8

416-736-4348

http://www.propanecanada.com

And were tanker rail cars involved, or tanker trucks? Did the explosions happen to the north, the south, the east or west of Mt. Sinai Memorial Park Cemetery? By all accounts, it seems that the explosions happened at (b), but the yellowpages show that this company is also located at the same address:

Ways Auto Inc

54 Murray Road, North York, ON M3K 1T2

416-630-9297


 * It was tanker trucks that were involved —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stars999 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Highway 401
I changed highway 401 from busiest in North America to one of the busiest. The wiki on it says one of the busiest in the world, and that it's the busiest truck route, but doesn't say busiest in North America. I looked at some of it's references too, some of which claim that it is, but the article itself does not say so. So I just added that just to keep the wikis similar. 142.151.185.196 (talk) 19:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Edit sentence?
The following sentence: "Paramedics and firefighters unsuccessfully revived him and was then rushed to a hospital where he was pronounced dead." - seems like the words "tried to" needs to be added after 'unsuccessfully', but this may not reflect the facts. Condolences to the family. Joeylawn (talk) 03:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've changed it.--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 12:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How can you "unsuccessfully revive" somebody? The English is faulty and poorly written. Something more simpler like, "were unable to revive him." George Carlin would have a few things to say about this...69.165.148.195 (talk) 23:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Clarify on deaths
Hi. Only one death is directly related to the incident, the unidentified body at the site of the blast. Firefighter Bob Leek's death was indirectly related to the incident, he died from a heart attack while fighting the fire. A third death, this time indirect, has also been attributed to the disaster, a woman died from a likely stress-related heart attack; it is easy to find reliable sources, please add this info. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 17:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I can only find one death and the missing body; I can't find info the woman's death on CTV nor on CBC.--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 18:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Personal Accounts
Hi Wikipedia is not a news service, therefore personal accounts like the one copied below, cannot be placed in the article unless you have a reference to a published article. (newspaper etc.):

"I felt the initial shock wave, it was about 3:42 AM EDT that I was pushed around a bit by the force of the blast that started the fire for the major explosion." said Craig Gallant, a Guelph resident visiting friends that lived in North York, just south of Wilson Ave. "I was still awake at the time of the blast, I was having a few drinks enjoying the last few days of my vacation. I was immediately sobered up by the force of the blast. Within minutes of the first blast I was informed by a neighbor who jumped into his car to see the source of the fire, when he returned I asked him what he found out, he knew of the propane facility exploding ( I later found out it was Sunrise Propane - 54 Murray Road ), and that all the bangs were the many cylinders that were stored at the facility. About ten minutes after that, another bigger blast occurred sending a huge fireball into the night sky, which illuminated the area over North York, as well sent a mushroom cloud of smoke into the air. Once again I felt the shock wave, but this time I also felt the heat that came along with the blast. When I looked up at the sky again, I seen the fireball dissipating into the night sky. We had left the house we were at within 50 minutes of the first blast. As I know the immediate dangers of some of the gases stored at the facility I knew we had to leave. When all this was occurring, I thought of some of the worst blast disasters, such as the PEPCON explosions of May 1988. Had that type of blast occurred so close to residents there would be numerous casualties and deaths. In the PEPCON disaster, amazingly there were only 2 deaths reported in this disaster as well."

Please provide a reference if you want this back in the article. Rameses (talk) 16:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just planning on removing the accounts eventually.--24.109.218.172 (talk) 18:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe the published personal accounts from the newspapers add to an appreciation of the magnitude of the blasts and their impact on peoples lives. If these accounts are referenced then I see no reason to exclude them.   Rameses (talk) 22:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

New section?
I'm thinking about adding a "history" section, which would document the events such as when the facility was built and go from then on. If not, I'd at least like another header added to organize the article better.--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 19:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea. The article definitely could use better organization. Rameses (talk) 22:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Geocode
Perhaps we could add a geocode to identify the location of the explosion. I'm not familiar enough with the area to know how to find it. NorthernThunder (talk) 23:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --coldacid (talk|contrib) 03:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The new name
Why was the article moved to 10 August 2008 Toronto explosions without a discussion? There has to be a consensus before it gets moved. Blackjays1 (talk) 00:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed. And also, the "# month year" convention isn't widely used in Canada. It sounds awkward. A more appropriate article name would have been "August 10, 2008 Toronto explosions". Esn (talk) 06:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've moved it back. There isn't a need to move it to a new name (yet) unless another explosion was to occur in Toronto.--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 19:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just a suggestion the lead sentence had 3 different "names" using Toronto Propane explosion, Toronto Propane blast, and the sunrise propane incident. I think we could come up with about a dozen other names that have been used to refer to the same event, however that would be counter productive. I have removed the "blast" version of the name. Nationaly or to those from outside the GTA the incident was more likely to be referred to as the TORONTO propane ______ (disaster/eplosion/incident/blast) where locally the owner was more know and the Sunrise name usually creeps into conversation/media coverage. 208.101.72.147 (talk) 14:30, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Reverted similar edit today ... blast and explosion are synonyms and having 3 different titles is rather redundant
 * eja2k 05:06, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Cause?
The article says the cause is still under investigation. Surely by now, a year later, something more could be known. --DThomsen8 (talk) 01:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently not, according to this CBC article.--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 12:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)