Talk:Torreón

Cristo de las Noas and Mauro Camoranessi inaccuracy
The statue of Cristo de las Noas is not the 3rd largest of Latin America, it is the 5th as it is documented by wikipedia itself. Claims that it is the 3rd largest of Latin America or the World are based on popular belief and local pride, not fact.

Mauro Camoranessi was not and is not a notable player for Santos Laguna, he happened to be part of the team at the beginning of his career, but his participation with Santos was not pointed out by anyone until he was successful with Juventus in Italy and became a world football star. It is inaccuarte to say he was an important part of the team, instead, it should be said that he simply was in the team at some point of his career.

Correct issues! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.228.69 (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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Expansion
In the revision as of 21:16, 12 October 2007 Jrocon added a request for expansion using the Expand template. In the 27 edits since then there has been essentially no progress except the salutary addition of a Notes field. If Jrocon or other editors could indicate what areas might fruitfully be explored, perhaps the next 27 edits could be more productive. Perhaps we could start with a History section? If someone could find a copy of Nueva historia de Torreón by Francisco José Amparán (Instituto Nacional de Bellas Artes, 1993.), it contains a series of essays by various authors on the history from colonial times up to 1990, although the major focus is on post 1910. There are also Historia de Torreón by Manuel Terán Lira (Editorial Macondo, 1989), Historia de Torreón by Eduardo Guerra (Universidad Autónoma de Coahuila, 1984), Torreón, ciudad centenaria: antecedentes, fundación y desarrollo (Editorial La Opinión, 2006) and Los hijos de la tierra: antología del cronista lagunero by Jacinto Faya Martínez (Universidad Iberoamericana, Plantel Laguna : Editorial del Norte Mexicano, 1998). --Bejnar (talk) 18:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

History
In 1883 was classified as a rancheria (a collection of ranches), but with the coming of the railroad it expanded greatly and by 1910 was a city with a population of 43,000. A Century of Chicano History: Empire, Nations, and Migration by Gilbert G. Gonzalez, p. 11

"On 14-15 May 1911, Torreón was the site of one of the bloodiest massacres in the history of the revolution when forces loyal to Madero occupied the city." --Bejnar (talk) 18:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was move back per WP:NC:CITY. Any discussion to move this article to Torreón, Coahuila or the like should first take place at WT:NC:CITY. JPG-GR (talk) 05:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Torreón, Coahuila → Torreón — The move to the current name is against both WP:NC(CN) and WP:NC:CITY and was done without discussion —--Polaron | Talk 01:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Right, cuz the U.S. is "special", hipocrita. Supaman89 (talk) 03:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support The naming convention (WP:NC:CITY) is crystal clear on this. JPG-GR (talk) 01:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Conform with WP:NC:CITY. This guideline states that disambiguation should be done only if necessary, as is generally the rule (except for the U.S.) Spacepotato (talk) 02:17, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:NC:CITY. The only user opposing this move is not opposing this move, but opposing the naming convention itself. We have a convention in place, it works, let's use it. Wilhelm meis (talk) 04:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:NC:CITY Torreon (disambiguation) exists other places with Torreon part of their name are villages VS a city with a metropolitan population of over 1,000,000 and a city population of over 500,000 plus villages do not have artilces and are not named "Torreon" -AMAPO (talk) 05:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Oppose - all cities have common names, and Torreon is not the exception, when people type "Torreon", it's going to send them to the article despite of the article's name, all American cities include the state whether they need it or not (ei. Los Angeles, California), and Mexico's ones should not be the exception since they also use that format. Supaman89 (talk) 01:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This move request is simply to undo your unilateral move to a title that attaches the state name. Per WP:NC:CITY and WP:NC(CN), titles using common names is generally preferable. Note that this is also a major city and is likely more familiar than the state it is in. --Polaron | Talk 01:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoever wrote that paragraph obviously ignored Mexico's format or just refused to put it correctly. Mexico uses the same format as the U.S. whether the city need disambiguation or not, to support the U.S. state inclusion but not that of any other country (in this case Mexico) is POV. Supaman89 (talk) 01:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That convention has been in place for years and was followed by the city articles. It was you who unilaterally moved the city articles without discussion away from the convention. As I recall, you tried to get the convention changed but did not gain consensus. --Polaron | Talk 01:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

But you keep basing your argument on a paragraph that someone (who didn’t care/know) wrote about Mexico’s cities format, don’t you think it’s POV to support the state inclusion in cities from your country even when they don’t need it, but you don’t support the same in other countries that also use the same format? isn’t that a bit biased? (we do it but you don’t) Supaman89 (talk) 01:47, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

BTW It’s not that I came along and started changing it, a lot of Mexican cities articles have always included the state, I’m just fixing the ones that did not. Supaman89 (talk) 01:47, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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