Talk:Toshiba/Archives/2013

Proposed rename
Proposing renaming page to Toshimba Corporation, then creating a page for the Toshiba brand. comments? Christopher Mahan 04:48, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC).


 * Since wikipedia follows the vernacular and there isn't another famous Toshiba around to cause ambiguity, I don't see what would be gained by that. What's IBM listed under?  Microsoft? -- Oarih 05:51, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Upon googleing, I found dozens, if not hundreds of companies that bear the Toshiba name. Also, the Toshiba Group is a recognized entity, both on the toshiba world website, and in international press. Looks like it's going to have to break up. Christopher Mahan 16:44, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC).


 * Sure, and they are all related to Toshiba Corporation, the company featured in this article. Wouldn't it just make more sense to leave Toshiba where it is and then make other entries for Toshiba America, Toshiba Semiconductor or whatever as the need arises? I don't think that Toshiba Group is really very recognized, either -- a search on google for "Toshiba Group" only gets 901 hits compared to Toshiba -group which gets over 20 million.  -- Oarih 01:37, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

1987 Submarine technology sale
Added reference to the 1987 controversy over Toshiba's sale of submarine manufacturing technology to the Soviet Union. This topic may merit its own entry heading if more detail is added. --Jim Lipsey 18:31, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

American Distributors (rebranding)
From the mid to late 1960s, Toshiba (and other companies) produced television sets and radio equipment for American department stores like Sears Roebuck (not sure of the others). Maybe that could be added, but all I know of such is a 1969 model 9-inch B&W television/radio/clock combination made by Toshiba, but sold as a Sears model. Jedo1507r 16:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Suspect change
Somebody check if the change from this version to the next is correct. Thanks. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toshiba&oldid=29343111 Christopher Mahan 23:18, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation?
"toe SHEE buh" or "TOE shih buh"? Thanks! -- Richfife 22:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Its "toe-shee-bah" Oyo321 23:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

-- Having bought a Toshiba TV 3 years and 1 month ago, i am very disappointed that it no longer works. Toshiba wont help as it is 1 month outside the warranty. I took it to a tv repair person who tells me the tv is not a Toshiba - the back part is made by RCA, the screen is made by Orion, the tv itself was made in Thailand and the speakers were made in China. Who is Toshiba again??? i bought this tv in good faith i was buying a quality product made in Japan because they make the best electronic products. So here i am stuck with a 3 year old defunt Toshiba - i think they should be pronounced JUNK!!

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small note
hey guys, I'm gonna add a small note about Semp, a firm that is owned by Toshiba.

Founding year
Because Toshiba is a rather popular article, I will not edit it if I am wrong. I have seen somewhere ( http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/toshbc1411.html of all things!) that Toshiba has actually been around since 1875. Where did the 1904 figure come in? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uzaiyaro (talk • contribs) 13:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

Verify beer consumed by Toshiba.
Can someone verify that the beer consumed by Toshiba employees are indeed Kirin. Kirin is apart of the Mitsubishi group, whilethe beer producer in the Mitsui group is Sapporo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by I4wong (talk • contribs) 22:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

-The beer of the Mitsui keiretsu is not Kirin neither Sapporo: it's Asahi -from Asahi Breweries, a member of the Mitsui Keiretsu- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.11.206.81 (talk) 15:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding tech support sites
There is a social tech support site for all Toshiba's products that should be added to this article www.fixya.com/support/toshiba. Let me know if there are any thoughts.84.229.246.201 08:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Organization
Ok, Toshiba doesn't JUST make computer chips people. I was kind of surprised that there wasn't already an organization section in this article. *sigh* this is going to make more work for me.

Anyway, I have another problem that the organization on the Japanese version of the page is yet again different from what I can find on their website, listing more like 30 companies instead of the scant few I put there. Needless to say, they have articles written on many of them, and I'm disputing about what actions I can take to import some of them. Whenever we get it figured out exactly what Toshiba is made of, I would like to get a navigation template going and hopefully encourage the development of those articles.

And yeah... I'm interested in the power systems branch in particular. You could probably already tell that though. -Theanphibian (talk • contribs) 01:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The power systems branch goes back to the 1930s in Japan. We mostly deal with steam turbines, main steam turbine vaves, and heat exchangers.  I think we may also do gas turbines?  Toshiba in the US is run under the name Toshiba International Corp (TIC). The power systems branch is a fairly new development in the US.  I work for the steam turbine division (power systems) as a support engineer.  The power systems group is growing rapidly http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/power/english/aboutus/index.htm I really take issue with the heavy slant towards Consumer Electronics/Digital products divisions.  Maybe because I work for a different division, but thats only about 55% of Toshiba business.--Dj245 (talk) 01:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Scattered Trust of Highly-Motivated Employee by David Schneider david_lawyer@walla.com If you open Moscow Yellow Pages, you would be surprised how many foreign companies have their offices in Moscow. Although the international financial crisis has caused the collapse which has never occurred since the Great Depression, the Russian Federation is still considered as a quiet harbor. Amongst the transcontinental companies there are a considerable number of Japanese corporations such as Toshiba and Mitsubishi. Though the latter are thought to be well-known for their successful in retailing of high-quality products worldwide, there have been cases which must be interesting to investigating institutions. We are going to take Mr. Vadim Danilov’s employee fraud case including asset misappropriation, money laundering, and kickback scheme. The story goes Mr. Vadim Danilov was hired by Mr. Harry Fujimaki to work for Toshiba Corporation (株式会社東芝 Kabushiki-gaisha Tōshiba) as a general logistics manager in Russia. The event occurred in 2004. In the course of two years Mr. Danilov had been “employed” in other areas such as, a certification specialist, customs broker, trader, promoter, etc. Mr. Danilov worked effectively and honestly thinking that he was a team player contributing to Toshiba’s profits.

Moreover, Mr. Koichiro Natsume, an executive manager of Toshiba Corporation in the CIS, declared him a Toshiba Official Trader at the Conference at the Imperial Park Hotel, Moscow, 2006. In addition, Mr. Natsume declared that Mr. Vadim Danilov was officially registered by Toshiba Corporation as Toshiba's Official Trader named “the Ninth Wave” in the UK. To conclude the announced procedures, Mr. Natsume issued to Danilov’s Ninth Wave an invoice which was paid to a TCMS official account at Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation, Singapore Branch.

Furthermore, there were other financial transactions during 2006-2007-2008 years, executed by Mr. Vadim Danilov between clients and Toshiba Consumer Marketing Singapore, SMBC Singapore branch account.

After all the payments were completed, Mr. Natsume vanished somewhere in Japan. Toshiba Corporation managers in Russia, Japan and Singapore refused to explain to Mr. Vadim Danilov how those payments had been used. Toshiba Corporation & TCMS, insist that Mr. Vadim Danilov has no evidences and the corporation declares now that Mr. Vadim Danilov had never had any relations with Toshiba Group Companies.

Nowadays, the Toshiba staff has been running away from Mr. Danilov for 33 months. The Metropolitan Police Department of Tokyo also refused to investigate the accident and explained to Mr. Danilov that he had no right to bring in an action against a Japanese citizen. It seems to be a confrontation between David and Goliath but David had had no backup… —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.172.78.67 (talk) 11:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Scrupulously Elaborated Fraud Scheme Taints Japanese Corporations
It is known there are many hidden obstacles on the way to success in business. One chooses to overcome them legally going through thick and thin, others prefer to speculate upon a fraud scheme to tear out some money. For instance, the Russian Federation allows the latter to prosper and not to be accused of their heinous deeds since the Russian legislation is used selectively and corruption has become a norm of life. In our case, representatives of Toshiba Corporation and Mitsubishi Corporation LT, Inc. (http://www.mclogi.com/) have been working successfully in partnership for many years in Russia. Nevertheless, they –Mr. Naohiro Baba and Mr. Koichiro Natsume, had decided to snatch a large sum using Mr. Vadim Danilov and his clients. Vadim Danilov was convinced by Mr. Baba that he had been registered as an official Toshiba trader – the Ninth Wave operating from the UK. In addition, Mr. Danilov was declared that NANA Eurooppa OY (NANA Europe Ltd.), and NANA Baltic OY were his sub-dealers, as well as all the companies which had been invited by Mr. Danilov to Toshiba's Conference also become his sub-dealers. So, Mr. Danilov worked hard believing that his current position is a real one and promising future promotions. To his luck, Mr. Danilov had uncovered the scheme while checking fake invoices and seeing asset misappropriation in bills. As a result, he started finding out the data with Mr. Baba and Mr. Natsume but they preferred to fade away from Russia and kick back Mr. Danilov leaving him in debts. Nowadays, Mr. Danilov had been obliged to return “the funds received” from Toshiba Corporation. He has been struggling for his rights and compensation for material and moral damages for 33 months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.172.78.67 (talk) 11:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Dec 2008
Scattered Trust of Highly-Motivated Employee by David Schneider david_lawyer@walla.com If you open Moscow Yellow Pages, you would be surprised how many foreign companies have their offices in Moscow. Although the international financial crisis has caused the collapse which has never occurred since the Great Depression, the Russian Federation is still considered as a quiet harbor. Amongst the transcontinental companies there are a considerable number of Japanese corporations such as Toshiba and Mitsubishi. Though the latter are thought to be well-known for their successful in retailing of high-quality products worldwide, there have been cases which must be interesting to investigating institutions. We are going to take Mr. Vadim Danilov’s employee fraud case including asset misappropriation, money laundering, and kickback scheme. The story goes Mr. Vadim Danilov was hired by Mr. Harry Fujimaki to work for Toshiba Corporation (株式会社東芝 Kabushiki-gaisha Tōshiba) as a general logistics manager in Russia. The event occurred in 2004. In the course of two years Mr. Danilov had been “employed” in other areas such as, a certification specialist, customs broker, trader, promoter, etc. Mr. Danilov worked effectively and honestly thinking that he was a team player contributing to Toshiba’s profits.

Moreover, Mr. Koichiro Natsume, an executive manager of Toshiba Corporation in the CIS, declared him a Toshiba Official Trader at the Conference at the Imperial Park Hotel, Moscow, 2006. In addition, Mr. Natsume declared that Mr. Vadim Danilov was officially registered by Toshiba Corporation as Toshiba's Official Trader named “the Ninth Wave” in the UK. To conclude the announced procedures, Mr. Natsume issued to Danilov’s Ninth Wave an invoice which was paid to a TCMS official account at Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation, Singapore Branch.

Furthermore, there were other financial transactions during 2006-2007-2008 years, executed by Mr. Vadim Danilov between clients and Toshiba Consumer Marketing Singapore, SMBC Singapore branch account.

After all the payments were completed, Mr. Natsume vanished somewhere in Japan. Toshiba Corporation managers in Russia, Japan and Singapore refused to explain to Mr. Vadim Danilov how those payments had been used. Toshiba Corporation & TCMS, insist that Mr. Vadim Danilov has no evidences and the corporation declares now that Mr. Vadim Danilov had never had any relations with Toshiba Group Companies.

Nowadays, the Toshiba staff has been running away from Mr. Danilov for 33 months. The Metropolitan Police Department of Tokyo also refused to investigate the accident and explained to Mr. Danilov that he had no right to bring in an action against a Japanese citizen. It seems to be a confrontation between David and Goliath but David had had no backup… —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.172.78.67 (talk) 11:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Mispronunciation
I know someone who calls it "Tobisha". He's crazy. linuxluver (talk) 17:58, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

POV Template on Social Practices in France
This section is being removed. It is a direct copy paste from a single anti-corporation magazine and makes bug news out of a store policy that is NOT fraud. Please reply here if you wish to replace it. Daniellis89 (talk) 01:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I note bad translations have been removed, but bias persisted. The section has been removed until NPOV is achieved. Daniellis89 (talk) 18:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Please stop undoing the removal of the text, the cited sources are biased and lack critical sources of their own. Believe it or not, there are people in the world that can read French. The article makes many strenuous connections between Toshiba and the French Government, all of which are unfounded in factuality. Daniellis89 (talk) 22:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

No idea of the whole background to this story but upon visiting it today the text was still there and from a linguistic point of view (no view or opinion on subject matter), it was next to unreadable. Without prejudice to views of the editors above, I edited the most glaring language issues and wikified a link to the French language version of the section. Finally, if this is a subject of such contention shouldn't we place a neutrality or other box on the article until the issue is permanently resolved? Ssoulakiotis (talk) 12:32, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Added a POV template on the section until a consensus can be reached and we can avoid situations like those above. Any comments welcome. Ssoulakiotis (talk) 12:58, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the consensus is clear; numerous people have reverted Christophe's edits while he/she is the only one adding it back in. It's disruptive, not to mention it doesn't belong in this article. I mean, really... the source is a communist newspaper attacking a few flawed business practices? At best, it's still POV and hardly notable cruft which should be removed. -Grayshi  talk/contribs 20:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree with the view that this section is hard to understand. Could someone explain in this talk section what it is that I am supposed to be able to understand after reading this section?


 * I agree with all of the above and have now removed the section, in its current form it is simply not acceptable and is soapboxy, POV, inadequately sourced and WP:UNDUE.Rangoon11 (talk) 14:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

toshiba semiconductor company section deleted?
the link in the toshiba article "https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Toshiba_Semiconductor_Company&redirect=no" just redirects to the main article.

Did this section exist previously? If the link just goes back to the main article should it not just be deleted as it is actually useless? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.0.21.62 (talk) 23:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Careful with Kanji
The paragraph I just deleted was the current version of some "etymology" that was added to the article some time ago. The origins of those two Kanji (&#26481;&#33437;) have nothing to do with the etymology of "Toshiba" which is just short for "Tokyo-Shibara" (according to the company web site). In this context, the Kanji are being used phonetically.


 * You know, companies do change the meaning of their name occasionally. Some will have a full acronym and then one day just decide that they'll dump the meaning and just keep the name.  I don't doubt that your deletion correct, but you also can't read what they put on their website worth a darn.  That's what they want it to mean, the historical entomology is probably different.  I could be wrong though. -Theanphibian (talk • contribs) 01:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

your kung fu is weak
"The origins of those two Kanji 東芝 have nothing to do with the etymology of "Toshiba" which is just short for "Tokyo-Shibara" you say?
 * "the Kanji are being used phonetically" you say?
 * "Careful with Kanji" you say?

Those Are ROOTS

 * 東芝 Toshiba or toe-shiba means "east turf"
 * 東京 Tokyo or toe-kyo means "Eastern Capital" (toe-kyoto)
 * 芝浦 Shibaura or shiba-ura means "Turf Bay"

seriously, I personally think it's worth knowing that the company is named after it's location (and surrounding inhabitants). The name itself instills a bit of the cultural identity of those who produce it. Needless to say, the etymology is more important than the fact that words have sounds & corporate entities tend to give their efforts names in order to prescribe these sounds to their services so that people may know they exist. Furthermore, judging from what little you've said about the reasons for your deletion of said etymology, I don't think you have demonstrated that you even know what you're talking about( e.g. ALL spoken words are used phonetically, you dunce), nor have you proven it a healthy thing to remove such a interesting piece of information about the history of Toshiba. I'd recommend that someone reinsert this information into the page, if it isn't already in the lead in paragraph, because it seems paramount.
 * You do realize that the spoken Japanese language was invented in Nippon by the Nipponjin... don't you?
 * With all due respect, you obviously don't understand Nihongo.

With Love ♥
 * Lawstubes (talk) 07:17, 22 January 2013 (UTC)