Talk:Total Drama/Archive 1

Proposal for a WikiProject on Total Drama?
Yes, it might seem crazy because even Survivor, despite the huge amount of articles relating to it, has no project. However, this series or franchise has plenty of material on Wikipedia and even more on Total Drama Wiki that can be sourced and placed here. I know this will most likely not make reality, but it's worth a try.  Nilocla  ♈ ☮ 22:30, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * no there are bigger series than total drama that don't have their own projects. but i want to mention some major problems in the total drama articles.

that's what i got for now.Bread Ninja (talk) 04:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * first is not so major but still leaves a bunch of contraversy. the title is total drama, yet the article says "total drama (series)". which doesn't make sense. the (series) part of the title should only be added if another article with the same exist.
 * the elimination tables that appear in the main article.they are incredibly packed and full of legends that really don't help and the readers don't need to know every single detail..
 * the list of total drama series characters (which should be changed to list of total drama characters). the sections Characters by season, Contestants summary should not be there. it also has heav details on some things that should. these should only have brief descriptions, not a complete biography. (unless it can merit it's own individual article)
 * list of relationships in total drama series" is completely unecessary, in-universe, and trivial. should be speedily deleted.
 * It was difficult to understand a lot of what you wrote, but I think I may have understood your main points.
 * The title of the article is "Total Drama (series)" to make it more easily distinguishable from "Total Drama Island", "Total Drama Action", and "Total Drama World Tour". I'm not convinced it's necessary, either, but that's why it's there.
 * The elimination tables are already under reconstruction, which has started with TDWT and spread to TDA. It doesn't help that the pages still aren't semi-protected, but they've been fixed for now and will remain fixed as long as we keep to the current format as strictly as possible.
 * In the list, the "Contestants by Season" section could stand to be removed. It doesn't contain any information that can't be easily found on the individual season pages. The "Character Summary", however, is just concise enough to remain on the page.  Its information is compact and shows at a glance whether each character appeared.
 * There's a list of relationships? Okay, yeah, that's no good.  I agree that it should be deleted.
 * →Twentydragon 19:01, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed character table. Also, yeah, I think the "List of relationships" should be cut because it's just listing some pairings that can more-or-less be on the TD Wiki. Also, as of this writting, it has a bunch of talk about what fans think of them (like made up combination names when the pairings are actually usually initialised (Bridgette/Ezekiel would be B/E and not Bridekiel or Ezekdgette, Courtney/Harold would be C/H, etc.)) and it leaves out Gwen-Trent, which was semi-important during season one and more-so during season two since their break-up lead to their eliminations. Great Pikmin Fan ( TD ) ( Talk ) 23:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Characters table isn't necesary in any total drama article, it only makes the article more in-universe. we can make the character descriptions more inclined to a more season-by-season base so we can summarize it easier and know what order we can put them in. We can even put up which ones appeard most, though alejandro and Sierra being the exception considering they mainly appeared as the main cast for total drama world tour. this would also help to let the characters to have their own subsections so it's more easier to manage.
 * As for the elimination tables in the article they could just be IN-OUT-WIN and i suppose Runner up and Winner. LOW isn't really necessary just because they got their marshmallow-award-peanuts last doens't always mean they had a low chance. if absolutely necessary to mention an exception within IN-OUT-WIN, give it a different color, but not give a variety of colors for specific exceptions. we can just call the exception "the characters departure was not justified" for out or such.
 * Another thing i like to mention is the list of international broadcast section, the only important distributions is the original, and the english version (if incase the original broadcast is not originally in english) and even then that should only being the inofobox. it shouldn't have it's own section.
 * sorry for not being clear the first post. but that's my thoughts on it.Bread Ninja (talk) 02:28, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Source for TDR cast
Has anybody got a better source for the (alleged) season 4 cast than a transcript of a Facebook chat? I don't see that meeting WP:Reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 15:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Same thing with the fact that the island is radioactive. Not only is a screenshot of a facebook chat, but it also links to the fan wiki. I'm deleting that part right now. Stjimmy61892 (talk) 20:42, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Winners
Should we really post the winners up on here? it seemes to be in-universe and not really important to explain the series. They dont' really need to be here. This is to explain the series, not the winners of eachsub-series.Bread Ninja (talk) 23:37, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Since we are giving a brief summary of the season, we might as well tell who the winner was. Since the summary is so short. And it also looks nice to add all the winners on one place to see 71.95.186.249 (talk) 17:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Total Drama Space??? It really exist?--79.0.189.210 (talk) 16:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

13 Episodes?
The cited article under TD Reloaded is a link to an image that shows a chat on Facebook where the chat states that the season has 13 episodes. I'm not saying that there aren't 13 episodes, but this source appears very questionable to me, possibly non-credible. I apologize if this is erroneous of me or if I have bothered anyone with this section in the discussion (There is no discussion page for TD Reloaded; it was nominated for deletion), but please consider validating this fact with another source possibly. Thanks! Wilderness.sky (talk) 01:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Future seasons
I just purged a lot of speculation about future seasons. One of the sources was a YouTube video by "EaglesFan01", who shows no sign of any reliability. The other sources were pages at the Total Drama Wiki, which is also not a reliable source. —C.Fred (talk) 23:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You can ask Eagles Fan 01 on his youtube, and he will say that he is the official reporter to the drama. Or you can read the comments in the video. I asked him already. A lot of people were asking him on the comments if Season 5 was fake, and he has been convincing everyone that it's true. This is what he said on one of his comments: "Season 5 is NOT fake. Christian Potenza said it to me himself, ask him, he will tell you all of my info is 100 percent true". He also said news about Total Drama Reloaded Hijotee (talk) 23:44, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I could say that I'm the official reporter to something, but that doesn't give me any verifiable, reliable standing. That said, If Potenza releases the statement on a verified channel (e.g., his official website or verified Twitter feed), it's still a primary source, but it's a little more verifiable. If it's printed in Variety or some other well-known magazine or newspaper, then it's in a reliable secondary source. —C.Fred (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I heard a lot of people that talked with Christian Potenza on his facebook and he said that Season 5 was true. Who know, maybe you should ask him yourself. But as for the fact, there is a high possibility that Total Drama is NOT gonna stop on Season 4 without any recap on what happened to the original contestants after the end of Season 3. Giggett (talk) 00:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I should not ask him for myself; that's original research and not usable on Wikipedia. What I'll do—and what the article should do—is wait for reliable, secondary sources. —C.Fred (talk) 02:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Duncan, Lindsay and Harold, originally, especially Ezekiel or other contestants their in the cameos on some episodes of Revenge of the Island. But everyone, will come back in the season 5. 02:22, 21 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.46.76.166 (talk)

Fifth Season?
I would put this as under the "Future seasons" section above, but that's mostly about the YouTube video. Alright, the fourth season is still possibly in production and very little has been released as far as I know becides a few bits of concept art, how do we know that this fifth season is for real? The only proof is from a Facebook chat (that's now deleted, I have no idea why since there's no deletion log on images) and some unreliable video (the guy's profile is maily about sports. If he WAS CP's reporter, not only would that be mentioned somewhere, but the only real sourse from that video would not be an OUTDATED image), and the former chat could very well be a fake on there or a hacker. It's happened with Ed, Edd n Eddy, remember all those rumors about the episode "Special Ed"? What got me suspecious is the possibility that it could be "Heros vs. Villians". Why would it be? That was a concept for one season of Survivor that ended in May, 2010. A season two (and a half, if like the others it is aired on summer) years after that would be a little too late to parody it, unless you count it being a parody of the small group of fan fictions that use this as the basis for the teams. Even then, that's reaching a little too deep.... Stuff like this happened before. Action had a point of mass-speculation -- even with the elimination tables from Island getting editted -- that Cody would debut like Courtney (and with the defence that he too sued the show, in this case for the bear mauling), and Izzy would return under her name "Esquire". World Tour had some speculation that Heather is eliminated on New York and Sierra's name is Kathy (although the other elimination speculations that wern't blind "OMG NOAH AND DUNCAN" fan-bias, but were actually from the spoilerific trailers were right). Reloaded used to have people claiming some of the originals would return and now there's talk that the new cast is just copies off of the old one. My point is to just delete the entire section (on season five. Four can stay) until we get better proof. This seems very much like a hoax. Great Pikmin Fan ( TD ) ( Talk ) 01:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well if it hasn't been properly announced, then we can't make a good section on it. i'll remove itBread Ninja (talk) 02:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Some characters, those first, always will be the best, like Owen, Gwen, Duncan, Lindsay, Harold and DJ. I wish we were really in the next season. 02:23, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

(series) disambiguator
Is there any reason to keep the "(series)" disambiguator at the end of this article title and not move the page to Total Drama? If there's no objections, I'm willing to execute the move. —C.Fred (talk) 04:20, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Since there are no other articles with Total Drama in the title, I would say this would be an uncontroversial move Fred.    ArcAngel    (talk) ) 04:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Total Drama is the official name of the series, and there is nothing else with the name Total Drama so there is no need to add a (series) tag if it is the only article with that name. I preffer to keep it simple as just Total Drama. Hijotee (talk) 07:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, Total Drama Island, Total Drama Action, or Total Drama World Tour does not have any disambiguator on their article names so why should Total Drama have one? A disambiguator is only required when two or more series have the same or almost the same name as each other, but that is not the deal with Total Drama, so I think we should remove the (series) disambiguator. I've attempted the move myself, but it does not let me overwrite the existing Total Drama redirect, so that is why I copied and pasted it Giggett (talk) 07:10, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Its pretty easy. just ask an admin to do it and it will be fixed.Bread Ninja (talk) 07:15, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Can't I delete the Total Drama redirect and then reattempt the move? Giggett (talk) 07:16, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I could add a delete tag on the redirect article so the article can be deleted, and then the move shall work, let's try that! Hijotee (talk) 07:18, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Why make thins that much more difficult? but then again, these articles are in a horrible state, so its not like those with alot of experience have made much of an effort with these articles.Bread Ninja (talk) 07:44, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * IMHO, there are probably a lot of experienced editors who have given up on the articles because of the continual reintroduction of trivia and speculation to the articles. —C.Fred (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Its worst than that, the articles look worst and worst. i could possibly make them better ten-fold by myself, but the problem is not having enough consensus to actually make the edits last.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:52, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

✅ Thanks for the feedback. I didn't think it was controversial, and I could've been bold about it (I have the admin's mop and all :) ), but I wanted to make sure there wasn't something I was missing before I made the move. —C.Fred (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Disclaimer Section
This section seems to be pure original research and highly trivial. It really doesn't matter what form of disclaimer different channels use. The section seems to make the article look worst. If certain issues have had issues with the show where they originally didn't put any disclaimers, than maybe... but it wouldn't be dedicated to disclaimers. I suggest complete removal.On a lighter note, if anyone has a total drama series logo that could replace the images in the cast, that would be great, as it would help represent the series more than the characters, especially since there's a new cast.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:32, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I had an idea like that before, which was to add a characters section, and then move the cast images there, then replacing the images on the infobox with a Total Drama logo. As of the disclaimer content, I have researched this content and there is no doubt that this content is false, but Hijotee is not that much of an experienced editor so he might of just added the content from his own knowledge. Giggett (talk) 18:43, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * its more to it than that, its the entire section. Same with the commercial section. there are no references, and i highly HIGHLY doubt any of it is verifiable from previous experience with Animated series such as these.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:52, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I can add references to this myself, but if you suggest that it's the content that needs to be removed, then that's a whole another story. By the way I have begun creating the characters section which will include the cast photos, I wioll upload the Total Drama logo later on. Giggett (talk) 18:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Because its completely trivial. And i know there aren't sources for these kinds of things, not reliable ones anyways.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:04, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've seen more trivial things myself, the purpose of the section is only to compare the difference of how Teletoon and Cartoon Network air the show. I've had many American viewers who complained about that, so it would be nice to have a section about it. The Total Drama page page is really small and needs to be expanded. This little commercial section wont bug anyone. Giggett (talk) 19:08, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * You're thinking like a fan, not a neutral editor. The point of view of the meaningless opinions of the fans or the casual viewer is fan point of view. It would not be nice to have a section on trivial matters. And it probably wont "bug" anyone, but it most definitely will hurt the article from getting up to at least B-class. You want to improve the article, re-organize it first, than add in real-world information based on reliable sources, such as reception, legacy, production.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:14, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think this article's class is ever going to go that high, we are barely on Start class, so pretty much no one really cares about article class here, but if you really think that section is bad, then remove it as you wish. Giggett (talk) 19:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If the fans would stop messing with the article and allow the experienced ones to do what they need to do to get it up to start or Maybe the fans would learn more on wiki rules and find information based off of reliable sources, than yes. Your edits (no offense) barely do the job. Take a look at other articles of tv series, specifically those that are Good-article class, so you can know what you're looking for. Both the commercial and disclaimers are based off original research. from this point on, no info will get in other than plot-related information as from rpevious discussions in other articles, references for plot aren't necessary (unless you get up to GA-class).Bread Ninja (talk) 19:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This is something really serious that you are saying. If you say that the entire Total Drama articles need to be completely reconstructed to meet Wikipedia standards, then that is something that is out of my line. If you really wish to do such a job, then you must also remember that fan editors will still try to mess the the articles in such time. I think you should talk to the admin on all of these articles, and consider such a renovation. Until then please do not remove any sections becuase removing sections ain't gonna help the article class until such a renovation is initiated Giggett (talk) 19:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC
 * New up and coming wikipedians that are bias per a certain series will stop at nothing to remove any information regardless of whether its verifiable. If you want to help, bring sources first. Other than that, the articles are pretty bad, and do need a complete makeover. Out of line? i doubt it. I dont need to consult to anyone for fixing the entire articles. True, i need to discuss things, but its getting harder when people think more i better no matter what. I will remove any information that isn't verifiable. Removing sections is part of the renovation, and its not about removing sections specifically, its removing information that is original research, trivial, and based on fans point of view. You want to help, expand the sections that can be be expanded and have reliable sources.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, do what you want. Remove sections, fix everything up. I will ask C.Fred to help too. I don't know much of bringing this article to A class, but what I can do is that I can keep an eye on all of those vandals that are gonna mess with the article, that I can do. By the way are the elimination tables gonna stay? They seem pretty trivial and have absolutely no sources so I don't know about those. Giggett (talk) 19:45, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Episodes list
Episodes list should only give the original air date, not the original and U.S. one as it has also been released on other english countries such as Australia. On another note, we don't need to mention every country total Drama has been released, only the english ones. So no listing all of them, just the english ones for air dates, and for episodes list, keep it to only the original.Bread Ninja (talk) 14:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * We do need to keep the U.S airdates and episode lists since they are different and since Canada and the U.S are the most popular locations for Total Drama. Americans like to know when their episodes aired too, not just the Canadians. I agree on the Australian airdates and other countries, but we do have to keep at least those two Giggett (talk) 15:45, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh....did you not learn what the word "bias" means? I'm from the U.S. aswell, but you can't prove that U.S and Canada are the most popular locations aswell, nor can you prove its more important. The Canadian stays because it is the original air date, In Anime thy use the original air date because its a different language, but the original "english" air date is used second not because the original english was U.S but because it was the first time it aired in english, regardless of country. We don't do things by nationality.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * So do I get rid of the US too? Giggett (talk) 16:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * only on the release dates, Its still important to mention that it was released in the U.S. on a specific date, along with Australia and whatever country that aired the english version.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ON the episodes list, we only list the first english release date. But in the opning paragraph we mention that it aired in the U.S. and Australia on the date that its given.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * this is what an episode list should look like.


 * right now, the tables are what make these articles in-universe the most. Please understand what in-universe is so we can all fix it.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think we already did this. I shortened most of the summaries, so I guess what's left is that prod code, but as for the airdate, I think that's unneccessary since the airdate tables already has that. I also see that you removed the title reference, eliminated, 2nd lowest, Etc. All that stuff needs to be there since it explains the key points of that episode. As for the colors, I think leaving it gray should just be fine. I already had problems with color-coding the tables before :P Giggett (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Again. that's fan stuff. that's not really important over all. And this is the general template for all tv series you can see it here Template:Episode list. To make a template specific for Total Drama articles is out of the question. We have to be as general as possible. This isn't a fan-site for all things related to total drama, this is an encyclopedia. Just because the series is about elimination does not mean the article has to be about it. That includes the episode list. You still have to learn alot on what wikipedia is about. And it's most definitely not about letting the story take over the entire article.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I get you now, so we can't have anything more than what is on the table here, right? That means that I gotta get rid of all the title reference, winners, and eliminations. Okay then, that's fine with me. It will take me a few hours to perform the task, but what do I do with the stuff on the TDWT episode table? That table seems to have song names, locations and other stuff that are not on the TDI, TDA, or TDRI tables, do I get rid of that stuff too? Giggett (talk) 20:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If they are noted by third party sources than they may be inclded somewhere. If not just list the names without mentioning what the title references. 206.29.182.128 (talk) 23:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay then, I shall begin with the TDI article and move up to the TDRI article and so on... Giggett (talk) 23:26, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I've completed the process on both the TDI and TDRI articles, take a look and see if anything else is needed to start to bring these articles up to high quality rating. Note that I also removed the elimination tables. Also, are there any suggestions on what we should do with the character and episode articles. I know those are listed as "list class" but do contain extensive trivia and fancruft. Giggett (talk) 01:47, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed Improvements
I'm not exactly sure how much of this will actually help the article/is recommended for the article, but the current state these are in could be expanded. I mean, the articles themselfs are extremely bland and devoid of that much real important info. I'm basing this off of other pages I've seen. Even though the show has the format of a reality show, it's still a scripted series and thus should be treated like any other scripted show. So basing the page format off of Survivor and other series isn't really a good idea. Great Pikmin Fan ( TD ) ( Talk ) 20:21, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The character page should have descriptions of at least each contestant. Currently, only Alejandro and Blaineley even remotly have a description in the character page, and useless side-characters like Brady get one instead of important people like Gwen or Heather. It doesn't necessarly have to detail each character's events; I belive a simple summary of their personality or major roles in a particular season will sufice. Describing characters is not "in-universe" at all, since almost every other character page does it. What would be in-universe and trivial would be stuff like listing their individual steriotypes. What I'm specfically asking is to bring back the individual summaries rather than merge it all on one table. And not even the massive table that shows their individual placing that was on before; bullet points will suffice.
 * The summaries should give a little bit more information. I'm not asking for the lengthy, ripped strait from the Total Drama wiki stuff that the pages used to have, but the current summaries sound very vauge and don't describe which character their reffering to. In a way, it makes it confusing and the tone it has is rather in-universe itself. ("One contestant frames another to anger someone else. However, when that same contestant becomes trapped, they decide to save them. Afterwards, when their transportation is accidentally destroyed, the host furiously kicks someone with immunity out of the game, sparing someone from the brink of elimination and leaving only three." See, that can actually get really confusing.) Wikipedia does not hide spoilers, so it should be safe to mention the exact characters involved.
 * Song titles. At the very least, ax the column on who sings each song. And if there's two songs in one episode, the episode number doesn't really need to be shaded.
 * Ax most of the teams section, and instead have a plot section. The World Tour page has a section on teams. All this does is describe the team names, their logos, and what the name means. This is completely unnecessary if you ask me. Heck, it doesn't even say who's in what team aside from Team Amazon.
 * Tone. As I mentioned with the episodes, the way these articles are written carries a small hint of in-universe writting.
 * Rewrite the "plot" section so that it describes the season's major conflict(s). The plot section in both Island's and Action's page describes the format of the game more than anything else. This is kind of redundant, and the description of how the show works can be moved to the general Total Drama page. Instead, the "plot" sections should be about the major conflicts in the season (Gwen vs. Heather in Island, Duncan vs. Courtney in Action, Heather vs. Alejandro in World Tour) with a brief explanation on the show in general. Again, this isn't a real reality show as it's blatantly scripted and a parody, so it shouldn't be treated as such.
 * I would try to answer your points, one by one in order:
 * Descriptions of at least each contestant: Well bringing back those big summaries about those characters' events and personalities is not a good idea. A general character table, should only have a brief description about them that does not exceed of how they look, or an overall description of what they are. For now there are only a few descriptions, "Alejandro's being the most complete", but we do need to add the decriptions for the other characters. See this article for example, they are doing the same thing. We can add some details like how Heather is the meanest in TDI or how Owen is overweight, and how Duncan was a punk rebel, but please do not go into the details.
 * The summaries should give a little bit more information: Well that is why they are called "short summarires", they must only have a brief description of the episode itself, not explain everything that happened. The summary must only help identify what the episode is and what it is about in general. If they wish to know all the details, then they can see the episode itself or go to the Total Drama Wiki. This is wikipedia, and I believe summaries on episode lists should not be longer than 120 words. But I do agree that they should be rewritten a little bit to include the characters names and challenges.
 * Song titles: Will work on that later.
 * Ax most of the teams section, and instead have a plot section: Agree, will remove those sections later, but we do need a "plot" section for the TDWT article.
 * Tone: We already tagged those articles for their in-universe tone, but fixing this will not be an easy job.
 * Rewrite the "plot" section so that it describes the season's major conflict(s): It seems that the "plot" section really used to be a format section, it was just some unknown editor that changed it like 2 years ago, and no one seemed to notice until right now. So really those plot sections really are format sections, the reason why they explain the game rather than the plot. So what it seems to be, is that none of the articles really have a plot section yet.
 * So there you go, most of it I agree and will get to that shortly, but there are some things that do need a little tweaking. Also I used to base the articles to reality shows like Survivor, but now I just base them on regular animated shows like The Simpsons or 6teen. Giggett (talk) 22:13, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * About the characters (everything else I understand): The thing with the Simpsons article is that almost all of those characters have a page themselfs. (Which isn't something that will happen with TD anytime soon. Try to make one and it might be deleted in a month, like with the elimination table templates.) For an example of a character page where none of the characters warrant a page, look here. Each summary is no longer than a paragraph (including the main characters) and manages to explain the characters quite well. This should be the standard for the TD characters, unless the characters have their own page. Which, again, is unlikley. Great Pikmin Fan  ( TD ) ( Talk ) 00:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess you may be right, so I am going to accombinate the character table so it can support short summaries rather than just a sentence, just keep the summaries below 120 words. Giggett (talk) 00:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Another thing....the Total Drama Aftermath is part of the bigger series. I really don't think we should have an article on it despite the length.Bread Ninja (talk) 01:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if you don't think that there will be more aftermaths in the future that will make the article longer, then feel free to delete it. If not just a simple clean-up should be fine Giggett (talk) 02:17, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * it's not about length...it's about notability. though there are aftermaths, it's not really officially considered as a separate entity from TDA and TD:WT.Bread Ninja (talk) 02:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay then, will delete the entire article and just save the "lead" and move it to the Total Drama article. There will be some links that I gotta fix that used to lead to this article. Giggett (talk) 02:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Voice cast
i don't think we need a voice cast section, especially for one that covers all seasons.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Where should we put the voice actors then? As far as I can see, I always seen the voice actors posted in the production section of the main series article. Giggett (talk) 20:06, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * i really don't think they're necessary as not all articles, such as anime series. i suggest just posting them in the season articles, but i'm also very hesitant about it. I can understand films and such as they aren't series.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:13, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Some voice actors voice characters that come out in multiple seasons, having 4 big lists with most having the same information will be too much. Perhaps I can move the section to the characters article instead. That way the list can stay at it's current size and not duplicate into 4 different lists. Giggett (talk) 20:16, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be easier not to list voice cast and just put it within the character prose. Which by the way, would be easier to clean up the article if we did alphabetically and sections similar to List of Street Fighter characters where we split them per introduction ex.Introduced in Total drama Island;Introduced in Total Drama Action;Introduced in Total Drama World Tour;Introduced in Total Drama: Revenge of the Island.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:21, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well it seems that all 22 were introduced in TDI, no one in TDA, and 2 in TDWT, and 13 in TDROTI. But that will only split the characters into the new and the old contestants. But as for the voice actors, if you want to put them somewhere else, then go ahead, as long as they are not in the infoboxes since those already had enough. Giggett (talk) 20:29, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * it'll be fine, the problem is that we're defining whats "new" and "old". we include the ones in TDWT in new or old? it'll be troublesome, and i'm pretty sure blainely was introduced somewhere in-between TDI and TDWT along with possibly another character. Or we can be even more general and say they were introduced in TDA's final episode as all 3 characters were shown. So it'll technically be TDI-TDA-TDWT as the ones in TDWT were already introduced in TDA's final episode.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:45, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well if you really want to get into this, then prepare to be bored. First, all the characters in that article are already in alphabetical order, but as for arranging them, it seems that Blaineneley was introduced at the end of TDA, while Sierra and Alejandro were also introduced there, but many also say that both Sierra and Alejandro were introduced in TDWT. Either way, there are only three contestants who were introduced in both TDA and TDWT. But if you include all three in TDA, then NO ONE was introduced in TDWT. This is kind of redundant anyway. I say just organize the original 22 as "introduced in TDI" or "original cast", the other 3 as "introduded in TDA / TDWT" or "semi-new cast", and the final 13 as "introduced in TDROTI" or "new cast". But I think I already did this with the two images at the top of the article by splitting them into generations. But what about Chris and Chef? Should we keep them as hosts or combine them into "introduced in TDI". Really this is kind of confusing, I say just worry about the voice actors and leave everything else how it is. Just having three simple sections ("hosts", "contestants", and "other notable characters") are fine. Giggett (talk) 20:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not exactly, if they're introduced "once" then any more introductions would be re-appearances. And yes, i suggest we add them in "introduced in Total Drama Island".Bread Ninja (talk) 21:02, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Do what you want. I won't stop you. :P Giggett (talk) 21:05, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Low quality logo
the image is low quality period. i'm sure if there is a better logo out there we can use. And removing the black from the logo only makes it that more apparent.Bread Ninja (talk) 14:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * also, do not archive any discussion you feel are complete. even if they're complete, don't archive only one. The idea is to make room for more discussions and there isn't much of a discussion going on. If it happens again, it could be considered vandalism.Bread Ninja (talk) 14:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a pointer, the logo contains only text, so it is ineligible for copyright. Accordingly you are free to upload a high quality version. See File:Game_of_Thrones_2011_logo.svg for an example how to license such a file. Yoenit (talk) 19:35, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I would if I can find one. which is why we are discussing it againBread Ninja (talk) 22:18, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have been looking around a bit (I have never heard of this series before), but it seems to me each of the seasons has its own logo and the logo used in this article is not used anywhere else. Is it even an official logo? Yoenit (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure myself...due to discussion of non free media in previous discussion that was archived too early it seems like the logo was found.Bread Ninja (talk) 23:12, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Lets ask Gigett then where he got it. Yoenit (talk) 00:26, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not an official logo, but the style of text that are used are official. The TD letters come from the Total Drama Island text in the TDI logo as shown here. I only got the letters T and D and enlarged them, but since I thought that style of text was copyrighted. Giggett (talk) 00:31, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

best not to alter logos. So removing the initials is best if you put them in.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay then, I will remove this logo for now and try to add one with just the "Total Drama" words in it. Giggett (talk) 23:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * you have to stop editing so fast right after you post. Anyways....where did you get the logo? Again low quality. I can see all the groups of pixels barely making the words. I'm starting to suspect there isn't an official logo for the entire series.Bread Ninja (talk) 09:17, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Total Drama articles need to be rewritten entirely. (Note the tag I put on the front page)
I've been noticing that many of the references on these articles are really weak, while most of the main content on these articles are unsourced. As far as I see, many sections on these articles explain the whole series like the characters were actually real, and that the episodes really happened, even though the whole series is fiction. Yes, I know that this series is a reality show, but should we really treat this show that way, like everything in this show actually happened? I don't think so, since the series is all fiction, I think that this entire article needs to be re-written entirely from scratch, to describe the series in a more fictional way, rather than in a way that everything is real. Also, I think we should only add stuff that are officialy supported by reliable sources. Yes, I know that is only about 30% of the articles, but having only the stuff that are fully sourced may raise the quality rating on these articles. Yes, these articles have gotten here from a long way, but I believe that if we continue how we are going, these articles are only gonna get worse, if we don't do anything soon. With the new season coming in 2012, I really think we should rewrite these whole articles that way they can meet the wikipedia standards. Right now everything looks like the Total Drama Wiki, which is bad. So yeah. Giggett (talk) 10:00, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * most of the articles have been rewritten, just need to remove any sections dedicated to present fictional information as real world elements such as aftermath. The staff such as voice cast is far too long to list and be better to just merge the voice cast with individual character. The focus hs slowly lost focus from in universe but is still lacking real world information. So just summarizing in universe information and looking for more reaL world information about the series is best. I suggest looking for production information and reception such as reviews or whatever impact the series could've possibly done to pop culture.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The voice cast list I already have taken care of, but it seems that in List of Total Drama characters the voice cast is already there where every character section has his/her own voice actor listed on the top of each paragraph. So I'm guessing that merging every voice actor to its own character is already done in that article. Now as for looking for more real world information as in reception, reviews or reliable sources about the series' production info, that has been quite hard to find. I have been looking for sources all over the web and it seems that only a few sources (the ones we already have) have reviewed this series after all. I'm sure many other sites have reviewed these seasons, and all of those other sources must be out there somewhere, but they have been quite a little tricky to find. But as you may have seen, the production and reception sections are already tagged for expansion, so I'm sure someone out there can find some more sources and add more real world information to those sections. As for the aftermath sections, I'll get rid of those. Giggett (talk) 22:34, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * also avoid adding original research such as 6teen sharing the same voice actors of total drama. Many shows share a large number of voice actors. Its not relevant enough to mention each individual.Bread Ninja (talk) 14:38, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * During TDI's first run, I added real-world development information to the character list from the official blog, and citations to specific episodes using cite episode... you can see one such revision here... and then on the official blog came the instructions to "stop spoilers" from getting out... Sigh. --Malkinann (talk) 23:15, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * @BreadNinja - Whoa! Sorry for barely noticing what you said a month ago, but yeah, I've removed the voice actor comparisons with both 6teen and Total Drama. Giggett (talk) 18:32, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Old and new cast in the season 4 and 5 of Total Drama
We do not know nothing yet of the title of the season, but only season 5 that include all characters of all series. With the exception of the other seasons here, perhaps there will be three awards: the 3rd place wins dinner with Chris and Chef, the 2nd 100000 dollars, and the 1st will get 1000000 dollars. The rest is not official and I think that will debut in 2012. Continue to be the new cast and even the old cast that there has been until now. Other items? It is said that should debut in 2012, Ezekiel or Alejandro will return to normal, or Heather and Alejandro start to love. Maybe! 02:22, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * About the three prizes, that was an old rumor that someone came up with last year. There is no confirmation that it's true. As for all the contestants coming back, we don't know if that is going to happen of if only a few will return. The title is not yet confirmed, or the release date, but as you said, it might come out next summer. As for now the only think we know is that there will be a fifth season. And yes, Ezekiel and Alejandro will return back to normal. Giggett (talk) 13:28, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * If any of the original contestants return, then one of them should be Trent. He was left out of Season Three, thanks to agreeing to Geoff's rescue team. If Trent returned to Season 5, as a contestant, he would be back to his normal state. Another contestant should be Courtney, she hasn't won the revenge yet. Another should be Eva, Katie and Sadie. Girls have competed in only one season. As for Beth, she should be among the few persons to compete in Season 5. Same with The aftermath should be Alejandro, Blaineley, Sierra, Geoff, Justin, Duncan, Owen, Gwen, Heather (resting from the accident done to her in the finale in which a lava molten rock hit her) and much more. For now, I am going to take a break from "Total Drama" and enjoy a new show., December 14, 2011, 2:46pm

Another contestant on cameos on Total Drama - Revenge of the Island
Another contestant on cameos on Total Drama - Revenge of the Island, their: Duncan, Lindsay and Harold. Right? And Ezekiel!? Right? 02:21, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * This is not the right place to discuss this, but yes, Duncan, Lindsay and Harold are already confirmed to cameo, but we don't know much for Ezekiel yet. Giggett (talk) 13:23, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Old cast on Season 5 of Total Drama
To Potenza, we want to back some original characters on the 5th and final season. 02:26, 21 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, the original cast will return next year, but we still don't know who. Giggett (talk) 13:28, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If anyone, from the 2007 cast, returns to Season 5, one of them should be Courtney and Trent. They deserve to have a chance on the show, even if they went crazy to get back at their ex's. Another one should be Heather, if she recovers from the incident in which a lava rock hit her, moments after she whined about not getting her money., December 14, 2011, 19:41
 * This isn't a forum. Only to discuss on the quality and issues of the article.Lucia Black (talk) 00:19, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Bridgette, Lindsay, Gwen, DJ, Duncan, Harold, Heather, Izzy, Owen and Ezekiel appears on the cameo in the episodes of Total Drama: Revenge of the Island, but some of them (my favorite characters), also will return, perhaps in the fifth season.Dorem11 (talk) 15:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Has said cameo aired yet? If so, in which episode? —C.Fred (talk) 18:02, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, they did. Owen cameos in Episode 1 which just aired in Canada yesterday. The other cameos were seen in the French episodes which already aired. Giggett (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah! I want also the 5th season, also with some of old cast. Why is was said by Potenza.Carrlo12 (talk) 22:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * After Total Drama: Revenge of the Island, said Christian Potenza for a fifth and possibly final season. And there are perhaps some of the older contestants (already in cameos in episodes of Total Drama: Revenge of the Island), because some of them are my most favorite. Dorem11 (talk) 02:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Untrue info!
It is not true that only Season Two had the winner take the money home to spend. Season One had Owen receive the money in the form of a giant cheque. It was the $1,000,000 that was intended to be a small "Reunion prize" that was eaten by a shark, which was the cause for Total Drama Action. And I know this because I just finished watching the damn first season 2 times in a row due to Cartoon Network playing reruns.122.58.69.75 (talk) 08:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Owen did recieve the money, but only had it for a few minutes before he gave it away. Hence the statement "the winner didn't take the money home to spend". Owen never took the money home, and never had a chance to spend it. Duncan, however did. Giggett (talk) 15:33, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Season 5
On June 28, 2011 Christian Potenza has mentioned for the first time on the production of the fifth series of the franchise, for the return of original and new competitors. Dorem11 (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Wait.... SERIOUSLY????
Seaosn 4 is the final season?? I noticed User:Giggett put 2012 as the final year for the series, and I tried looking at the sources he put in (if he did).... although the links don't seem to be working. Could anyone explain this to me, please? If season 4 is the final season.... then what about season 5? Is that pretty much scrapped now? 24.181.236.186 (talk) 21:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, now that I looked more carefully.... I noticed he didn't put in a source. So now I may ask, what is your source for putting in 2012 as the final year? 24.181.236.186 (talk) 21:42, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * What source is there that documents that season 5 will exist? If we're just speculating on a season 5, that's a good reason for it to not be mentioned. —C.Fred (talk) 22:05, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I think people put it there because Christian P and Cory D mentioned a bit of it. 24.181.236.186 (talk) 22:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for any confusion I may of caused. I've reverted the edits I did that said that the series will end in 2012. As far as it seems, there might be a Season 5 after all. Giggett (talk) 03:01, 11 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Well... I noticed Giggett re-added that season 4 is the last season.... is that officially confirmed? I tried looking at the source he put in, but I could barely find ANYTHING saying if it was the series finale. 24.181.236.186 (talk) 15:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, yes I did, but there is a very good reason for that, because a couple of months ago, I still thought that Season 5 was into production, so still waited to give it a chance, but now that 2012 is here, and Season 5 has not yet been confirmed, I guess that means that there probably won't be a Season 5 anymore, and any continous mentioning of Season 5 from here on is nothing more than pure speculation. It's been almost 2 years and Season 5 has been nothing more than a rumor, and it would probably stay as a rumor until that rumor dies down before the year is over, but who knows, I might be wrong. The point is that we have waited long enough for Season 5 and until we find a reliable source confirmimg a Season 5, such a season shall not yet be added to Wikipedia, and until then, Season 4 will be treated as the final season, which as of right now, it still currently is. Giggett (talk) 18:42, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm. You have a point. If I had a guess though, if season 5 IS in production, most likely we won't hear about it until most likely mid-to-late 2012 (maybe during fall), but.... we'll wait and see. I remember a user having a chat with Christian Potenza way back in summer '10 about season 5, but I think that was just when they were thinking about the idea. It was interesting though that they still seemed to have that idea at the 2011 panel last fall. But anyway, I ceartainly hope this won't be the final season, because if it is, there will be ALOT of cliffhangers that will need to be filled in (ex: If Zeke and Dakota will be back to normal, Al and Scott out of their robot suits, and overall, what will happen to the old contestants). But.... it is what it is, I suppose. 24.181.236.186 (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Planned Theatrical Live Action Film
Teletoon and Sony Pictures Entertainment having a plan to make a Live action 3D film starring First Generation Cast and Second Generation Cast, this movie is distributed by Columbia Pictures, Release Date in Christmas, 2018, It Will be Directed by Mike Mitchell, the Props, Effects and others are similar to The Cat in the Hat: The Movie and It will be Set in Carnival Dream. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.115.40 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * 2018? It's gotta be a joke... :\. No movie that far is being planned this early, maybe in the next 4 to 5 years. Giggett (talk) 22:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That's basicly false info right there. Besides, Sony pictures never even got the rights to them. If any movie company distributed it, it would most likely be Warner Bros. 24.181.236.186 (talk) 22:11, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Illumination Entertainment Take Over
Illumination Entertainment plan to make a 3D Live Action Movie based on Total Drama


 * Yeah, well where did you hear about this? News like this can't go unnoticed for long without having everyone find out about it. Giggett (talk)

Oh my goodness
Is it really true that they're making a spin-off series for Total Drama in the near future???? But wait a sec.... what's the point of making a spin-off series, if none of the original characters, even the most popular ones like Duncan and Owen (and heck, some of MY personal faves like Ezekiel and Noah) aren't in it? What will this new show be about? 24.181.236.186 (talk) 00:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing that Season 5 will air first in 2013, since the spin-off series will not air until a couple of years. As for the new series itself, I don't think that it might still be called Total Drama, since it won't take place in the same competition hosted by Chris, but it still will take place in the same universe. Meaning that maybe the friends of the Total Drama contestants might be making their own show, or it might as well be the people who view the show or the interns, or I don't know. This is not tha place to discuss this, but anyway, if a new series does hit the green light, then I guess this Total Drama article might no longer be the main franchise article, but rather a sub-article about a series that is part of a bigger franchise. Only time will tell. Giggett (talk) 01:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Film
Fresh TV and TELETOON plan to make a Theatrical-relesed Film based on Total Drama, it nclude any of the original Total Drama characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.160.249 (talk) 08:38, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Per what source are they planning to do this? —C.Fred (talk) 14:05, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Total Drama Live action, 3D, CGI, 2D, Stop motion, Traditional and More (Season 5)
On June 28, 2011, Christian Potenza first mentioned a fifth season of Total Drama. This was the first time a cast member mentioned a fifth season to the public.[27] It is possible the theme for the season will be "Heroes vs. Villains" as mentioned by Cory Doran.[28] However, due to the extensive delays of Season 4, the production of Season 5 has halted for several months, and was not able to continue until Season 4 was done, leaving the originally planned airdate of Summer 2012 unlikely, or even 2012 at all. It is unknown whether the original cast, the new cast, or both, will compete in this new season. It is Going Be a Various Techniques and original cast and New Cast have to go through it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.19.182 (talk) 12:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Did you just copy and paste a paragraph from the article over to here? Giggett (talk) 15:53, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, whoever the heck is doing this, can you cut it out with these freaking pointless edits saying "Total Drama is being turned into a movie"? We may as well have to lock this page if it continues.... 24.181.236.186 (talk) 15:19, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Movies
Fresh TV plan to make a Television film based on this series

Fresh TV plan to make a Direct-to-video film based on this series

Fresh TV plan to make a Theatrical film based on this series — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.69.106 (talk • contribs) 05:27, 10 May 2012‎ (UTC)


 * Do you have any reliable sources to back this claim up? Otherwise—and really, unless there's something more concrete than just that they plan to make movies—it doesn't go in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 11:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

You know, I've always wondered but...
If people who don't live in Canada can't access the production website.... what's the point of having it there? I know we've got the Cartoon Network site, but unless only Americans can get to there, I'm not sure we should list the production site. 24.181.236.186 (talk) 19:00, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Arguably, it is the official website, moreso than the Cartoon Network one. —C.Fred (talk) 02:17, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Yeah that is true, but should we at least note it's for Canadians only so people don't get mad when they try and access it, only to discover it's not available in their country? 24.181.236.186 (talk) 21:34, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Then, they can try the other link. That is why we have the official Canadian link, and then an alternate link for non-Canadians. Giggett (talk) 22:05, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

You guys might be interested in this...
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120525021304/totaldramaisland/images/7/72/SpoilerTD5.png

The article to this is no longer available; however, there was a screen shot saved on the Total Drama wiki. I wonder if this is some real evidince for some upcoming info on season 5? 24.181.236.186 (talk) 05:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It's a fake, anyone can make a screenshot like that, and by the way, articles on the Refresh Blog are always archived, where this one is not. Giggett (talk) 00:38, 26 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, now I see what you mean. Especially after I saw THIS: http://queenmv.deviantart.com/#/d510hyk. Really irritates me when there's a season that's basicly un-confirmed or just in production, and then people take advantage of it and make SO many false rumors/fake pics etc. Oh well. But now that makes me wonder if someone made a fake article on the Refresh Blog about "Season 5" because, as I said previously, it got deleted. 24.181.236.186 (talk) 00:00, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Season 5? Coming in 2012 or not?
I'm starting to think whether Season 5 should still remain in the articles. There hasn't been any official confirmation for over 2 years now since it was first mentioned, and all the sources supporting a fifth season are nothing more than YouTube videos of cast members hinting it. We obviously gave Season 5 enough time to stay in case someone officially confirmed it, but now it's been too long and I think we can all tell that there probably won't be a fifth season after all. So yes, should we remove any mentioning of Season 5 from all the articles completely? We can add it back when it's officially confirmed by the producers or directors, that is if it's ever confirmed. Giggett (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If the cast members hinted it... then isn't that enough to say it might just be in production right now? Keep in mind TDRI has just started in America, so if I had a guess I would imagine they would maybe release some info about it during the fall. Who knows. That's my opinion. But as I said, if the cast members simply hinted it, it sounds to me like it may just be in production. 24.181.236.186 (talk) 18:07, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * We can say it might be in production, but we can't verify that it's in production—so it won't go in the article yet. —C.Fred (talk) 03:41, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Character image description
This may be obvious but the image shouldnt describe the characters as "first and second generation" unless there are sources that provide thats how they are reffered. Better to describe the image as "Characters introduced in..." So it can be more nuetral. For now it sounds like original research. Lucia Black (talk) 05:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Good point, I'll go ahead and change it. Giggett (talk) 17:20, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Series finale?
I've been noticing some users that keep changing the end of the series to "present", but since TDRI just ended in Canada on April 12, 2012 and that Canada will no longer be airing new episodes, I guess that means that the term "present" no longer applies to this case since April 2012 is now in the past. The same case applies for the U.S. since we already know that the U.S. will also air the last episode of TDRI this fall like in September, so even though TDRI is still airing as of today in the U.S., there is no need to add "present" anyway since the time the series ends in the U.S. is already known. So why do we still need to say "present"? Probably since many people think that a fifth season is coming and that the series will continue after this, so that is the main reason why many think that the series should still say "present" since a fifth season is coming. I don't disagree with them, but know that this fifth season is still nothing more than a rumor, and a rumored season has no place in the articles, so until such a season is officially confirmed by the production team, we shall continue to treat the fourth season as the end of the series since nothing is confirmed after it, hence the series ending in 2012. Giggett (talk) 17:48, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * About the show having ended overall, we should put a hidden comment in the article saying that Total Drama: Revenge of the Island has ended in Canada, its original country, so it is counted as having ended. About the airdate of its finale in the United States, we should keep it as present, because as far as I know, there is no source saying that the series finale will air in September in the United States. If there is a source saying that the series finale will air in September, then maybe we can put the airdate of the series finale in the United States into the article. :) Ha  dg  er  00:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * From what it sounds to me now, season 5 is still a rumor, but if it actually IS in production, this is what I'm guessing is going on. In 2011, it seems like that's when they thought of making another season (since Christian and Cory hinted it), but seems to me like they had no time to create it since they were too busy with fixing Revenge of the Island. So as of now, I would imagine they're in development of it right now. Who knows really. I don't know if you guys saw, but last month Christian DID post a video telling fans to ask questions about upcoming stuff for the show, and of course alot of fans (even myself) asked about season 5. I don't know when the video will be up honestly, but when it does come up, hopefully Tom CAN confirm these rumors. Until then, season 4 remains a finale. 24.181.236.186 (talk) 02:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

An error or missing piece of information?
I noticed that on this page, it does not say what the resolution it was broadcasted in is. Is this an error, or is this information just not available? Thanks! 72.182.54.108 (talk) 03:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Probably 1080p, like always. Anyway, I'll add it to the article, thanks for the tip. Giggett (talk) 04:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Season 5
Looks like Season 5 is official, and looks like I was wrong, they did confirm it after all, and the series is stil not yet over! Of course this is not an official confirmation, but at this point we can say that Season 5 is coming after all. So much for those 2 year rumors about it, now it has finally become a reality. Now the question is, when will it air? 2013? Giggett (talk) 21:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3zV1d_WCC8


 * If I had a guess, maybe more of it will be confirmed when season 4 finishes in America. But I'm just glad to know there IS a season 5 after all! 24.181.236.186 (talk) 18:49, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I hope so, maybe we will start getting more information this year still, probably in the fall. Giggett (talk) 23:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Cory Doran
I'm still not convinced that was Cory Doran saying season 5 could be a "Heroes vs Villans" type season at the 2011 pannel. I looked REAL close and I don't see Cory's mouth moving when that voice says "Heroes vs Villans". I honestly think it was just a fan in the backround saying that. Any thoughts? 64.30.14.50 (talk) 23:15, 25 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Well I went ahead and studied the video too, and I'm afraid that you might be right. Cory Doran never said anything and it wasn't Brian Froud either, so I guess it must of been a fan. Giggett (talk) 00:04, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

2013 and 26 episodes?
Ok, so I imagine season 5 most likely WILL come out in 2013 (although for such a short season, why wait so long?), but where on that page does it say it? All I can read is it says the fifth season is in pre-production; I do not see anything about it going back to its 26 episodes and for a 2013 release. 24.181.236.186 (talk) 04:05, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Read where it says "117 half hours + 2 one-hour specials". That means that Season 5 will have 26 episodes. Why? Well because Seasons 1-4 counts as 91 episodes (not including specials), and 117 - 91 equals 26, so yeah. Also, 2013 is the most possible air date since that's next year. Giggett (talk) 06:21, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

The comment above is correct. Does anybody know what characters are participating in season 5? They must be some kind of source with the answers. I would assume that characters like Owen, Duncan, and Lindsay will be in it since they are some of the favorite contestants. Also, I would assume that characters like Katie, Sadie, and Eva would be participating as well because they are the only members of the original cast who competed in only 1 season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdifan7 (talk • contribs) 01:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

According to a woman named Tionna Johnson (who may or may not be with Fresh TV, I'm investigating on that) here are the competitors & teams:

The Villainous Vultures: Alejandro, Duncan, Lightning, Scott, Courtney, Heather & Jo The Heroic Hamsters: Cameron, Mike, Owen, Gwen, Lindsay, Sierra & Zoey

Many people will tell you Sam is competing instead of Owen, but this isn't true. It's a photshopped image by a Sam-fan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.131.241 (talk) 01:26, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Season 6!
Yup, Christian Potenza just said that Total Drama: All-Stars will not be the last season, so I guess there will be many more Total Drama articles to be created in the future. Giggett (talk) 17:24, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/totaldramaisland/images/3/30/Season_6.png


 * http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1181701/inspector-gadget-reboot-tops-off-teletoon-canada-s-latest-original-production-slate
 * Yes, I was right! Season 6 is confirmed and it's coming in 2014! Here is an official synopsis of the season:
 * "It's an all-new season in an all-new location: Pahkitew Island. Given that the Cree word for "explode" is Pahkitew, it's no wonder that host Chris McLean chose this new island to put a fresh collection of victims - er, contestants - through the most grueling challenges yet. Once again teen freaks, geeks, egos and cowards smash, crash and bash their way through the season with one goal in mind: winning that one million dollar prize. Who will take it home? No one knows until the final episode drops and the pain finally stops."
 * Giggett (talk) 03:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Table issues
This winner/runner up debate has been done for a while and its because of this seasons table. We really don't need to inform them of the winners. We should just cut that info out.Lucia Black (talk) 09:21, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That is why I added the note "The winners and air dates listed in the table are from the original Canadian airings. In some countries, alternate endings have aired, where the Canadian runner-up wins the season" on top of the table. So if someone switches the winners up, it's because they probably can't read. Also, that is why Wikipedia has an "undo" button, in case someone alters the winners again. Giggett (talk) 15:06, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, but its still not relevant enough to mention winners...same with release dates (especially if they did not all aired in the same country). We should keep more non universe info in the table parameters.Lucia Black (talk) 20:50, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Well if we remove the winners, the we would have 2 empty columns, so we would have to add new info in that table and so far all I could think about to replace the current winner columns are:
 * Location
 * Number of episodes
 * Number of characters
 * Rating
 * Viewership
 * Budget
 * Director
 * Teams
 * If you pick "number of episodes" then I would have to move that info from the broadcast table to the season table. Giggett (talk) 21:03, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

May we add this in?
http://images.wikia.com/totaldramaisland/images/b/bd/Duncan_confirmed_in_season_5.png

Looks like Drew Nelson confirmed on his Facebook that Duncan is in season 5. (-sarcastic Noah voice- gee, what a surprise...) 64.30.14.50 (talk) 20:21, 10 November 2012 (UTC)


 * No. A screenshot like that is not a reliable source. A post by Drew Nelson might be an acceptable primary source. The best sourcing to warrant inclusion, but the least likely, would be a report in a secondary source (third-party publication). —C.Fred (talk) 21:00, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

It has been confirmed on multiple websites. -ToadBoy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.63.57.114 (talk) 21:00, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Which ones? —C.Fred (talk) 00:43, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Season 5 structure
The situation with season 5 runs so deep through the article that I'm ready to fly the Contradict flag.


 * Is Total Drama All-Stars season 5 or just the first half of season 5?
 * Is Total Drama: Pahkitew Island season 6 or the second half of season 5?

It appears both ways throughout the article. That's why I'd like to collect here what reliable sources are saying about it so we can make sure it's presented properly.

In my opinion, there's not only the issue of internal consistency, but if All-Stars and Pahkitew Island are just arcs within season 5, then their articles need gutted severely before the content is upmerged into a single Total Drama (season 5) article. It's reasonable to have an article on each season of the show, but I don't see why a story arc that runs half a season needs that depth of coverage. —C.Fred (talk) 17:29, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * This source says that Season 5 is both TDAS and TDPI. This source says that Season 6 is not TDPI and is instead a new season. Giggett (talk) 17:38, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Winners
It is generally not needed to show how every country has had which winner in every season. These can be listed in the prose for each season as well. its really easy to summarize. It is not necessary to have here in the main article other than summarizing it and saying that the series had aired alternate endings to each season in other regions. Lucia Black (talk) 00:36, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes I can go ahead and make a "winners" section in every season article that contains a paragraph that says which countries air one ending and which countries air the other. The thing is that, many people like to see this information in a very simple way like in an organized table and it's better if we have all of the information in one location so it is easier to compare one country's winners to another country. I say just leave it as it is, the section is very small and won't affect the rest of the article. Giggett (talk) 00:46, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * you can't speak for people, and even then who are "these" people. those who just came in looking to know about the series? Or is it fans? We have to think what makes a better article. If every season changes then theres no point in having a table for it. Lucia Black (talk) 00:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know the table doesn't belong here, it belongs in the Characters article instead. But the thing is that the Characters article was deleted so that is why I moved most of the information again. If you think the table doesn't belong then go ahead and remove it. I won't revert your edit again. Giggett (talk) 00:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * the table itself isn't necessary in any article. The character article section was probably deleted because it was too in-universe. Lucia Black (talk) 01:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Ridoncolous Race Host announced
I know it's not a "reliable" source, but we have a name for the host, his name is "Don": https://twitter.com/alexganetakos/status/490580661275611136 Snowy66 (talk) 13:03, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's a self-published source, so it's not good enough for TRR to have it's own article, but yeah at least we now know the name of the new host :) Giggett (talk) 14:58, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Character List Article
I'm just gonna start it in my sandbox, and damn it, if it gets redirected I'm starting a dispute. The article was deleted to that it could be started from fresh. Not to be completely neglected and done without. Boaxy (talk) 07:14, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The characters article if created will be comepletely different and contain only information about the cast and production characteristics with only minimal in-universe content. However, the show is not popular enough to have such information so until then, no such article will be recreated Giggett (talk) 08:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

You lost me at the show is not popular enough. You are toying with me right? I appreciate your concern but I would still like for the majority of people to vote. Every cartoon past a hundred episodes should have a section devoted to character development. Anyways here is my progress so far. No fancy templates or unnecessary bullshit like last time. Any suggestions? Boaxy (talk) 09:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter how popular the show is, what you have created in your sandbox is nothing more but in-universe summaries which was the main reason the whole article was deleted in the first place. We can't have a separate article for the characters unless there is enough reliable sources about the production and cast for the characters, regardless of how many episodes the series already has. People have already voted to delete the article and not to bring it back unless these requirements for improvement have been met. Giggett (talk) 17:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * @Boaxy: One suggestion is to cite reliable secondary sources that have written about the characters. If the characters are notable enough to have an article, then there will be significant coverage of them, written in an out-of-universe style, from sources other than the studio or networks. (Remember that fan sites and blog posts are not reliable sources.) —C.Fred (talk) 19:34, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I didn't know and I'm pretty sure I don't need sources for every character in a list article. I know for individual articles for characters, they need to have enough reception from the public in order to do so. But the fact the show doesn't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon, it would be nice to have an article that gives biographies of the characters and what stereotypes they play into other than the Total Drama wiki page which is full of made up ignorance. I understand your opinions but I feel now is the time. The article was blanked and deleted quite some time ago, a lot has changed then. Two seasons have aired. I'm also not done with the article in my sandbox. Boaxy (talk) 06:55, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The article was just barely deleted this year and only 13 new episodes from Season 5 has aired since then, and also I believe we already acknowledged the new TDPI characters in the deletion discussion, where that alone was not enough to warrant a "keep" since the article already had too much in-universe content and lack of sources. So no, it is not the right time to bring back the characters article until you have enough information from outside the show about the characters. Giggett (talk) 17:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm making the article anyways. I'll let the community decide not you, with all due respect. Boaxy (talk) 05:16, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * With all due respect, it's not the community who gets to decide, but the person who put up the deletion tag for the last page. If you want the page to be launched then only include basic information about their personality, background, significant friends/enemies (like Gwen-Heather or Beth-Lindsay) and maybe the odd occasional fact using an example from a specific episode ("It's revealed in "Phobia Factor" that Gwen is claustrophobic"). The page doesn't need detailed extracts on their participation (stuff like "eliminated quite early" or "present every episode"), you can go to Total Drama Wiki for that kind of thing. As for secondary sources, the character profiles on the Re:Fresh Blog would probably be a good place to start. Snowy66 (talk) 02:41, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * By the end of summer this article should be done. Boaxy (talk) 01:08, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm also gonna list all characters of Ridonculous Race separately, as opposed to pairs. Again, here is my progress so far on this article.Boaxy (talk) 23:41, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Your sandbox version is completely unreferenced and contains a lot of trivial detail. It would not survive an AfD nomination. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 07:49, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * If we were to create a characters article (which we won't since there is no need), it will only include a brief sentence explaining each character's general appearance for identification purposes only and anything after that would be out-of-universe detail like voice actor info and any other notable info like how many seasons a character was used in and which are the main characters with very minor plot info, but nothing describing what they do like relationships, friendships, rivalries, fanclubs, all that stuff is for the Total Drama Wiki, not here. Giggett (talk) 17:45, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Disagree, Disagree, Disagree. I'm not done, first of all. It's not up to you to decide second of all, and I can add references sweetheart, that's not a problem. Not adding the voice actor? I disagree. Many if not all Total Drama voice actors do many other live action and voice projects. I think the length of the sections that each character has is fine. The article before it was deleted, had way larger and more in depth character discussion. So basically your complaints are that it's too trivial, I disagree. That is the whole point of a character article. The second complaint is that voice actors shouldn't be listed. I disagree, character list articles feature the actor associated with that character. The third complaint is that it's unreferenced. That's not a problem at all.


 * While you're criticizing, you could help me out. Forget y'all, I'm still submitting it when I'm done. This is some messed up shit for real. Boaxy (talk) 08:04, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Just another update. The article pretty much is in it's final stages. RFC, here I come. ^_^. Boaxy (talk) 07:39, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Well it looks better than the old one, I'll give you that. Giggett (talk) 17:04, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The article is still completely unreferenced, which is a problem that I raised a month ago. I assume you meant WP:AFC, not RFC. The article will not be accepted without significant referencing. It fails in other areas as well. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 17:55, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * What areas does it fail in. I'm not removing the actors names, and I'm not removing the context. The point of character list articles are the summarize the importance of the character in the series and I think I've done that. Again you could help me out instead of complain. It's so unprofessional that Total Drama is finally having openly gay characters, and more diversity and new lengths and you still don't' want to have a character list article. I don't get it one bit. Boaxy (talk) 08:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Redundancy in the lead sentence, incorrect heading capitalisation (Wikipedia uses sentence case) as well as inappropriate capitalisation within the prose (see MOS:CAPS), inappropriate bolding (both per MOS:BOLDTITLE and in the body of the article), original research (there seems to be a lot of that), linking (there are links to several incorrect articles or redirects), too much detail in the character sections and, of course, the complete lack of references, are all obvious problems. Not having a character article has nothing to do with "having openly gay characters, and more diversity and new lengths", it's an issue of notability. Notability is not inherited. The subject(s) of an article have to meet, as a minimum, the general notability guidelines and fictional characters often do not, especially when the fictional series is a little bit obscure. Sometimes there's just no justification for a separate article. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 09:48, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's for individual separate articles. For a list article, it just has to be a series that has a significant amount of main characters, and that's for over 60 I believe. Notability and all that is for separate articles. Boaxy (talk) 04:48, 9 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Main characters are more like 10. The majority of characters in this series are "throw-away" characters as what the producers likes to call them. Several characters are not even part of this series. Giggett (talk) 15:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know where this is coming from. The general notability guideline applies to all articles, including lists, and the number of characters is irrelevant. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 15:52, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Not only does the show use highly notable voice actors, live action actors from both Canada and the United States, the characters are diverse enough to be listed and given full detail about in a separate article. They are notable enough for that. Not for individual articles like the Simpsons or Spongebob, no I agree on that. But a single article listing all the characters, rather than hidden wiki tables given two word descriptions of characters on their separate season pages, in which there isn't one for the first generations I believe. If that's the case then list of King of Fighters Characters should be deleted. I'm adding references (cartoon network, freshtv, blogs, tv websites) based on good faith trivia edits, and I already know I'll receive two no votes from you so don't rub it in. Fix the typos as bear with me, nobody was willing to help me when I announced this project damn near ten months ago, and maybe add some special bonus stuff I don't know. Stay tooned. :P Boaxy (talk) 05:09, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Being "diverse enough" is only justification for article creation if that diversity is notable enough that it has has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject per WP:GNG, which is quite clearly applicable to list articles.

If that's the case then list of King of Fighters Characters should be deleted. While I'd normally point to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS at this point, a quick look at List of The King of Fighters characters reveals that article has 90 references which seem to establish notability.

I'm adding references (cartoon network, freshtv, blogs, tv websites) based on good faith trivia edits - Blogs are generally not considered to be reliable sources and trivia should be avoided. - Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 06:21, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Wait but I thought most of Fresh TV's sources were blogs and we use those all the time for the Ridonculous Race article Giggett (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * official blogs are usually OK. Boaxy separated Fresh TV and blogs so I assume he was talking about other blogs. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 16:28, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Due to unforseen circumstances, I can't continue with the character list article. It's a shame but whatever. I had no support, was constantly badgered and heckled at, and I'm not going to be on wikipedia for that much longer. So I hope someone apart of the total drama or cartoon network group American, Canadian, whatever, please make this happen. I would like to see the character list article back one day. Boaxy (talk) 09:52, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * You know what, scratch that. I was banned from the Sailor Moon article and I'm tired of giving up and accepting defeat in a dire situation. This article is still going to happen regardless if you guys help or not. Boaxy (talk) 22:04, 20 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I was banned in the Total Drama wiki too, but that didn't make me start creating useless relationship articles here on Wikipedia either Giggett (talk) 22:15, 20 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hmm interesting, as someone who was a member of the wikia, regardless if you were banned or not you don't seem like a loyal fan or supporter. I'm not making a useless relationships article. I'm making a character list article that every television series that has multiple liaisons should have. Boaxy (talk) 05:44, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Update on series status
As of today it's been 2 years since a new season premiered worldwide on July 7, 2014. There are no current plans for future seasons and the request for a new season from Fresh TV to Cartoon Network has been pending for over 6 months, far longer than it has ever been (maybe due to the change of networks), so I'm saying that we should call it. If a new season were to be made just in time for next year, production should of started already. However, it has not and multiple sources from the Fresh TV website claim that production has not yet commenced (not that I can link them here anymore due to their site being down). So yeah, should these articles join the long list of cancelled shows on Wikipedia? Giggett (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I think that may be kind of jumping the gun a bit. The Fresh TV site's not down anymore, it just underwent a revamp (including even its logo), and the Total Drama Wiki has not said anything about the show being cancelled (Fresh TV or Teletoon would have made an announcement about that if that were the case), so there is still a chance for future seasons. Creativity-II (talk) 08:13, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

So um....
If we don't have a confirmation for any new season whether it's for the main show or another spin-off by this upcoming summer in 2017, should we just say the show is canceled? Cause at this point, it really looks like that's where the series' direction is going now. 74.97.181.153 (talk) 09:12, 26 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes the cancellation is inevitable, but until it is officially announced, any mentioning of cancellation in the article would be speculation. What I did was post the final airdates in the infobox and removing any mention of present airings. Also, the lead now states that a cancellation is yet to be determined but very likely. Giggett (talk) 09:32, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Instead of making it a series page, why not make it a franchise page
So instead of just including information about Total Drama as a series, include it as a franchise, which means adding the information about The Ridonculous Race, since it's only one season. There's main characters in this series (Owen, Noah, Geoff, and Leonard) who are in both, and there's a lot of information that needs to be added, for example, we could do the characters/voice actors section like such: (for sake of convenience, I'm only going to do the winners of each season and the hosts) For the seasons section, just add The Ridonculous Race: Just thought it would be a better way to organize it, in my opinion, since the spin-off has enough ties to the original series to warrant this as a franchise page. TotalDrama0898 (talk) 19:44, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * First, a franchise page wouldn't be that detailed (that's the job of the series articles). A franchise page would rather just link the two current series articles like Total Drama and Total Drama Presents: The Ridonculous Race. This means that the franchise article would rather be a brand new article kinda like Cars (franchise) or Toy Story (franchise). However, due to this series not being popular or relevant enough, such an article would be very small and fail notability guidelines. In other words, it would be unnecessary so the article would end up being deleted. I say just leave everything as is due to both current articles being for completely different series, even though they might be in the same universe. Let's just assume that a hypothetical franchise article is joining both series together, but due to it being unnecessary, it doesn't need to exist yet. Maybe once a new season of either series is announced and the franchise grows, only then can a franchise article be relevant. Giggett (talk) 20:36, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

winner of total drama action
I think that you should add alternate winner on the chart of winners and explain it right under the chart. When I saw Duncan as the winner I was confused and wanted to send a note to edit the page, but then I found out there were alternate endings. I hope I did this correct. This is my first time doing this to a post.108.31.29.31 (talk) 17:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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correction
It should be changed to "Total Drama is a teen animated reality comedy television series made by Fresh TV." because i think total drama is for everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:550:A700:DDC4:9AE5:C2C5:A08A (talk) 20:00, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Should we delete the age range?
In the "Production" category, I noticed that there was an age range saying that it was "primarily targeted at eight- to sixteen-year-olds". It had no source, so should we keep it or delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DinosaurTrexXX33 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)