Talk:Total Drama World Tour/Archive 1

New people
The characters name is not "Kathie" its "Sierra" --24.45.36.157 (talk) 23:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Where the heck did "Kathie" even come from? Alejandro's name was clearly stated in the trailer; Sierra's was not. See? This is what happens when fan speculation gets out of control. 71.130.78.125 (talk) 20:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

When the season starts...
Should we allow adding Ezekiel on the character/elimination table? Unlike Cody in Total Drama Action, he was not just seen in the trailers, but seen alongside the competing contestants (nobody else was with the ones that are officaily in). And it was not fotage from other episodes, unlike what they did with Courtney in TDA (where they just used clips from Total Drama Drama Drama Drama Island). Great pikmin fan/GPFeh ( TD ) ( talk ) ( Contribs ) 00:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Let's wait until the season actually starts to make the elimination and character table. There are just so many rumors and myths that we don't know who to believe until it starts. --DragonofFire99 (talk) 00:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, we don't know how they are going to determine it this time. They could have something like Total Drama Drama Drama Drama Island or some other challenge. --DragonofFire99 (talk) 00:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

In the trailer, he also had his own passport at that "3-ring circus" comment. And Duncan didnt...

I agree one hundred percent. Ezekiel clearly had his own passport, was seen with all of the other officially confirmed contestants, and is obviously going to be in the season. It's a different case with Trent, Justin, and Eva. They all appeared only ONCE in the whole trailer, one time each, and did NOT appear in the flipbook at all. They probably will not be contestants, but may simply be interns, members of the camera crew, or may be involved in a kind of "Total Drama, The Musical Aftermath," or something like that. Speaking of the flipbook, I am so sick of people saying that Ezekiel is not in the season JUST because he didn't appear in the flipbook. Who cares about the flipbook? The flipbook has been seen to change several times since it was first posted, mainly concerning its accidental reference to the final two for TDA. And besides that, the trailer came first, and Ezekiel was clearly seen in it FIVE TIMES. And even in the flipbook, Ezekiel STILL appeared. Thus, he is clearly going to compete, along with the other officially confirmed contestants. Period. End of discussion. SO STOP SAYING THAT EZEKIEL IS NOT GOING TO COMPETE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.130.78.125 (talk) 04:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

The teams...
Looking at some HQ pictures, I'd say the teams are:

TEAM 1 Alejandro, Eva, Izzy, Noah, Owen, Tyler

TEAM 2 Cody, Courtney, Duncan, Gwen, Heather, Sierra

TEAM 3 DJ, Lindsay, Bridgette, Harold, LeShawna, Ezekiel —Preceding unsigned comment added by RealityShowsRCool (talk • contribs) 17:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, we have no idea what the teams are, so we should probably wait for the show to premeire. It's ok to guess, though, but not to put it on the page (or atleast not yet since the show hasn't even premeired). Also, remember to sign your comments! -- Ha dg  er  17:47, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey Hadger what are you doing in the TDTM discussion.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 18:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what that question means. -- Ha dg  er  20:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually I just don't know what you mean when you say it (like if your asking something like "Why are you on the discussion page?" or are you trying to ask something else?). -- Ha dg  er  20:33, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I mean why are u here instead of just being on the TDA site.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 20:51, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I guess I like to check out both pages. -- Ha dg  er  20:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Are there any other articles u visit?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 20:59, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but mostly these ones since I like to remove vandalism and usually these pages get vandalized (well not usually but sometimes). -- Ha dg  er  20:59, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

You mind tellin me those articles.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:04, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about the Total Drama related ones. -- Ha dg  er  21:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

One team is called Team Amizon! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.143.14 (talk) 21:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't know that for sure. Someone who was doing vandalism added that Team Amazon was one of the teams (unless you found it on a different website that is not Wikipedia). -- Ha dg  er  04:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Team Amazon was mentioned in one of the episode descriptions ( cake ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.191.158.187 (talk) 20:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

TDA
If Beth isnt in TDTM and Duncan is, then Beth had to win because she wouldnt need to be in TDTM if she had a million dollars already, so she won. Whos with me.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 18:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I AM IAM I AM!!!!! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.96.125 (talk) 17:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Possibly. --DragonofFire99 (talk) 02:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Duncan is the winner of TDA but they didn´t show why is he back on TDTM yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.148.87.166 (talk) 19:56, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

color on chart for new characters
I was thinking about someone putting a color for the new characters on the chart. Anyone agree?

Tman7776 (talk) 22:51, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. -- Ha dg  er  23:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Duncan & Ezekiel& Bridgette & Harold & Leshawna
They both kinda just disappear after awhile in the youtube trailer (also in that one bridgette does in one of the parts), and on the cake entertainment thingy Harlod kinda just disappears too... and these are all just things to think about. Im not saying they get voted off right away or anything.And Lashawna COULD ( i said COULD) be getting voted off when she goes "Alejandro is EVIL?!" ...What do you think?

Duncan is confirmed to be a main character, and maybe Ezekiel will return later on, as his passport is seen. And Eva is shown only once, maybe it's an aftermath show, and maybe justin and trent will be the host. What do you think of that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.96.125 (talk) 18:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Owen
Hey do you guyz know that Owen comes back to TDA next episode because he was in the preview?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 22:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No, there has not been any proof for his return yet. Previews do not count.  --DragonofFire99 (talk) 02:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

dude he was in the preview n it does count cuz it was made by cartoon network.....they werent wrong about any other preview were they.....no so you might wanna put it on, your choice but if i were you i'd put it on —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.206.249.99 (talk) 01:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Previews can mean anything. It can just be a video Chris is showing the contestants so they know how to "rock out." Even though I believe that Owen returns, there is no proof, and that's that. -- Ha dg  er  02:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Dont wanna rain on your parade Hadger but the description for the episode says he does come back.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:59, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * TV Guide is a source for episodes, and we aren't really sure if it's correct about him coming back, unless you mean the description on Cartoon Network. If you mean the description on the Cartoon Network schedule, then Owen comes back. -- Ha dg  er  22:50, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes its the one from cartoon network.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh. -- Ha dg  er  23:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Owens makin it to the final 3.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oddly, there is no final three, as Owen and Courtney were eliminated at the same time. Twentydragon (talk) 06:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

total drama wiki doesn't lie and if it goes to cartoonnetwork schedual that means its a real episode so your wrong hadger —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxijixx (talk • contribs) 20:50, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * First, yes, I use Total Drama Wiki a lot, but it doesn't use sources, so they could be wrong sometimes, and they don't try to lie, but a blog or wiki that doesn't use sources can't always be right (in fact, there is no website that can be right all the time). Second, the Cartoon Network schedule is right about episodes, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying. -- Ha dg  er  05:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Total Drama Wiki is like Wikipedia except they go a lot more in-depth about their articles. Like wikipedia, Total Drama Wiki can be edited by anyone so it may be unreliable, sometimes. Therefore, everything you read from Total Drama Wiki is not 100% accurate unless the information is based off of the episodes that have already aired. The difference between Total Drama Wiki and the regular Wikipedia is that TDW is the place where they put down every single scrap of information about what has happened as possible while Wikipedia tries to keep only the relevant facts about what happens. This is the reason there is no section for "trivia" or "goofs", as you see in Total Drama Wiki. -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 15:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * You cannot use other wikis as sources. Mokoniki | talk 15:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

New
What's with those Daisy and Peyton ? They were not shown, which means they don't exist. Somebody clean that up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.191.153.19 (talk) 09:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I did it. They said 2 new characters, not 4.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rouge2 (talk • contribs) 13:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the user or IP knew those weren't real characters. -- Dragon  of  Fire  99 15:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, did Ezekiel and Eva make it to season 3? Even though they were seen in the preview, Cake entertainment did not confirm those two so I am taking them off. -- Dragon of  Fire  99 15:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Ezekiel's passport is seen in the opening, so I think it's reasonable to assume he'll at least be there for a few episodes. Duncan's passport wasn't seen at all, so there's been a bit of disagreement on the series page. Twentydragon (talk) 06:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I think; no, I KNOW, that Ezekiel is in the season. I agree with the guy who posted the above comment; his passport was seen, and he was seen several times after that with all of the other contestants. He was seen in line with all of the others waiting to board the Total Drama Jumbo Jet; he as seen in that now-famous Ezzy moment with Izzy sitting on his shoulders; he was seen in the group shot of 16 contestants (with no Duncan) while Chris is explaining the elimination process; and lastly, he was seen at an elimination ceremony with Harold, LeShawna, Bridgette, Lindsay, and DJ (possibly teammates?)

But yes, he is in the season; that is pretty much already confirmed. But whether or not he lasts long or is eliminated early AGAIN (although if the latter is the case, I will not watch the rest of the season) is another matter, and the main reason all we Zeke fans are so mad right now...But overall, yes, he is in the season, and should be included on the list of returning contestants.

I might as well comment on the other mentioned contestant: Eva? Well, I kind of doubt that she'll be in the season as a contestant. Judging from the one single shot in the trailer where we see her (and she is one hundred percent absent in the flipbook), and the fact that the object she threw at the guy's crotch is a microphone, my guess is that she is either an intern or member of the camera crew (possibly like Trent and Justin), who interviews locals, probably about their thoughts on TDM (albeit, she probably hates her job). But ultimately, I don't think she's going to be competing. 71.130.78.125 (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Character Issue
I think that it may be appropriate to remove everything that involves telling what characters are in the season until the show premieres. The TDM flip book thing doesn't exactly tell us, because it sometimes changes, so it may not be correct or accurate. Unless there's an interview that confirms the characters, I think everything on the article that involves telling what characters are in the season should be removed until the show premieres. -- Ha dg  er  03:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Mokoniki | talk 03:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I searched for a source, but none that I found were very reliable- just a bunch of fan websites (including Total Drama wiki). -- Dragon  of  Fire  99 05:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * This subject does tend to bring out the fanboys who have nothing to go on but their imaginations, or have very poor ideas of what makes up a reliable source. Go through the listed sources. If anything in the article isn't backed up by a reliable source, remove it with extreme prejudice.-- Blue Squadron  Raven  17:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the episode list should also be removed until the episodes air, because they encourage predicted eliminations (and it might confuse readers and make them think that they will air in that order). -- Ha dg  er  22:41, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Episodes
Hi, I work for Teletoon. I can't give more details, but I tell to you the episodes. Remember I am ANONYMOUS, so put the episodes in the article and them erase this message, OK?


 * 1) Airport TDM
 * 2) Sphynx & Pyramids
 * 3) Super Crazy Happy Fun Time in Japan
 * 4) Anything Yukon do, I can do Better
 * 5) Mississipi Impossible
 * 6) Italian Resources
 * 7) Texas Hold Them
 * 8) Surfers Up
 * 9) Broadway, Baby
 * 10) The Good, the Bad and the Jock
 * 11) Lock in Rio
 * 12) The One With All the Singing and Dancing
 * 13) Cyber Siberia
 * 14) The Australian Devices
 * 15) Welcome to Chinese China
 * 16) San Dramisco
 * 17) California Dramin'
 * 18) Lost... In the Woods
 * 19) It's All Greek to Alejandro
 * 20) The Terror is Here
 * 21) Mount Codymore
 * 22) Five More to Go
 * 23) Once Upon a Time...
 * 24) Beat the London
 * 25) We All Know What You Did Last Summer
 * 26) The Run to Ottawa

So, here is all the episodes. Remember, erase this message, the producers don't know who I am, so, hurry up!

Thanks to all fans who watch the Total Drama Series. And don't miss the most dramatic season yet: Total Drama, the Musical! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.91.41.227 (talk) 20:32, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

We aren't sure if you really work with Teletoon. Also, why would you tell us the episodes, anyways? Even if you do work with Teletoon, we still need a source for each episode. -- Ha dg  er  20:39, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Can we have proof that those are the real episodes? Also, if you are someone who works for Teletoon, then what is TDA episode 26 called? --He shoots, he scores! —Preceding undated comment added 20:41, 21 November 2009 (UTC).

I believe u half of the time but how can we actully believe u...if u really work 4 teletoon is there a Total Drama Drama Drama Drama Action. if u say yes and tell me who makes it 2 TDM, i will believe u...and this is a TALK PAGE and on these u cant erase some1s message; so u have 2 do it urself--24.47.206.160 (talk) 23:09, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Hadger is right. That could have been anyone that typed that. The only way to really prove you are telling the truth is if the episodes are right, but we will have to wait until the season is over. As of right now, I am taking them down since they will probably encourage predicted eliminations. -- D RAGON of F IRE (Talk) 00:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Dragon is right I can type any episode name and say it's an episode see, "Total Drama, the Musical Party" we all know thats not real —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.89.216 (talk) 19:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * My comment was vandalized by an IP user. That was not me who put that inappropriate comment. -- Dragonof Fire (Talk) 03:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I know. I reverted the edit that the IP did and warned them. -- Ha dg  er  04:31, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's how I knew. Thanks. -- Dragonof Fire (Talk) 04:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

if you work for teletoon, then tell us the elimination of the characters in TDM in order. if they are right, we will believe you for next season(possibly Total Drama Comedy). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.66.245 (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it could just be him guessing, and even if he does work for Teletoon, we would need a source for each elimination for unaired episodes. -- Ha dg  er  22:35, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Teams
Ok, where did you get Team Atlantica from ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.191.163.25 (talk) 16:39, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a fake team. Thanks for reporting the vandalism here! :) -- Ha dg  er  17:36, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Skin color
Is there a reason Alejandro and Sierra have the same skin color? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Golem866 (talk • contribs) 13:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


 * And this is important why? Mokoniki | talk 14:39, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Talk pages are only used for discussions involving changes in the article. Please do not put irrelevant facts on this page. -- Dragonof Fire (Talk) 00:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Total Drama Fashion
I heard from a lot of sites that season 4 is Total Drama Fashion. It says that every 1 is returning they get lipstick instead of marshmallows and it says that the contestans are 5 years older. Is it true?-- Totaldr amaman   GO OWEN!    GO DUNCAN!  19:57, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, we don't know if it is true, so we can't put that on the article. It's just a rumor, and even if you put that it was a rumor, it still can't be put on the article. It's just a rumor. -- Ha dg  er  20:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, even if it was, it wouldnt be very interesting because it would be girls all the way except for maybe justin.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 22:26, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh...my...God. Where the heck did THIS come from?! Total Drama FASHION!?!?!? Geez! At this point, I'd be more willing to believe that season 4 is Total Drama Comedy instead of this! There's absolutely NO proof at ALL of there being anything like Total Drama Fashion! Not even a single little mention! Before you even mention TDF again, post some sort of source or link that proves that there was at least an official mention of the possibility! Because right now, TDC seems more likely at this point than TDF! 71.130.78.125 (talk) 04:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that TD Comedy seems much more likely than TD Fashion. But Fresh TV has surprised us before (remember TD Island?).  Also, this is a talk page, where strange things can be said without citation.  I'd actually like to know more about the TDF rumor if there's more to it. Twentydragon (talk) 12:23, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Let's get this straight. Total Drama, The Musical is the only thing as yet confirmed and going to happen. Any "new" series after this point is speculation and dreaming on the part of rabid fans. There is nothing else in the pipe from any verifiable source. As it is, Total Drama Comedy is only a fan script taken by some overly silly fans as being gospel. It's not. Likely never will be now that there's a possible legal clash over titles and what not looming for the producers. Get a grip, and berify things on other than fan or interview sites. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  16:11, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

TDC may not be false. Here's one source I found: http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/10/28/total-drama-action-joins-cartoon-network/ (4th paragraph) -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 00:27, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I highly doubt it is, besides we don't know if TDC is real. Mokoniki | talk 13:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Uh, what kind of a comment is that? "I highly doubt it; we don't know if TDC is real"? That doesn't mean that it's NOT real! Just because people don't know about it automatically means it's not real? That is the single STUPIDEST thing I have ever read on this discussion page! Some people don't know about the Holocaust, or 9/11, but we know for a FACT that those things are real! So don't say something that stupid next time; present a REAL argument next time! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.10.103.11 (talk) 23:59, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Mokoniki didn't say that it wasn't real. Mokoniki said that we don't know if it's real, not that it isn't real. What Mokoniki said was true and very smart, because we do not know if TDC is real. What Mokoniki said has nothing to do with it automatically being false. In fact, I think Mokoniki said that he/she doubts it's false (if not, then that doesn't make any difference to the fact that we don't know if TDC is real). What Mokoniki said was right and very smart, because we have no idea if TDC is real. The kind of comment Mokoniki said was a true comment, because we don't know if TDC is real. Yes, it is true that things you don't know about may be real, but things that haven't been confirmed on many sites yet might be false. We don't know if it's real or not, which is exactly what Mokoniki was saying. Mokoniki said that he/she doubted it was true, (or false, I don't know which one, but I think he/she was saying they doubted it was false) not that it wasn't real at all, so what Mokoniki said was right. Remember to sign your comments, too, please. Also, sorry for this long, long post! -- Ha dg  er  00:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, please do not use CAPITAL LETTERS (that's an example of capital letters, so don't think I'm yelling) unless you are typing an abbreviation, the first letter of a sentence, the first letter of the name of something/someone, the word "I", etc. Please use italics instead. -- Ha dg  er  00:19, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You may also use capital letters when typing a shortcut link to a Wikipedia page, help page, or template page. -- Ha dg  er  00:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, please do not make personal attacks to any user. You may disagree with someone, but please do not insult because you have a different opinion. And another thing. This page is not for arguing which was probably not Mokoniki's intention. Users use discussion pages to try to discuss changes about the article which this relates to. -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 00:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Should the page be moved?
I think that this page should be moved to the title "Total Drama, the Musical", because usually, short words such as "the", "a", "and", and "an" begin with lowercase letters when in a title and not beginning the title. -- Ha dg  er  00:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. It was funny that I was trying to link TDM to another page, but it kept appearing as a red link because I kept the 't' uncapitalized. -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 16:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Flipbook Link Problem
There is a problem with the virtual flipbook link (the Cake Entertainment one). For some reason, when I clicked the link, text appears saying,"This account has been suspended" (referring to the Cake Entertainment account). This might mean that we have to remove the character table and the episode list (the character table was probably going to be removed by the time the season started, anyways, since the elimination table would cover it). Either that, or we find another reliable source. -- Ha dg  er  19:32, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I had noticed that, too. I think this means that they're going to make significant changes to the flipbook, the way they changed the spoiler for the final two of TDA. It's just like with the trailer; the link for that also leads to a "This Account Has Been Suspended" page. I don't know what else to tell you, but I'll bet you anything that this time, the changes they're going to make will finally settle the whole Ezekiel/Duncan issue, and confirm once and for all who is and who isn't in the season. I just can't wait for it to come back out again, and then we'll see what exactly is going on here. 70.135.32.92 (talk) 20:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the same thing happens if you change TDM to tda or tdi, which means that Cake Entertainment either probably just wasn't paying to have the site, they did something bad that got them suspended, or they were just inactive. -- Ha dg  er  20:30, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, I am REALLY pissed off right now! The flipbook is back where it was before, but NOTHING'S BEEN CHANGED! Even the line about Harold and Courtney, which we KNOW for a FACT is wrong, hasn't been changed back to Beth and Duncan! I cannot stand this! Did they deliberately pull it just to get us excited, then put it back? I don't know what it is! For right now, we don't know anything that we didn't know before, and anything we did know before hasn't been improved or changed! This is getting more and more ridiculous! 70.135.32.92 (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, what they did was probably do something (such as pay the owner or something) to get their website unsuspended. -- Ha dg  er  02:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Cartoon Network site
You can enter to this site of Cartoon Network and you can have information of when or how will be the show, like, the new season of TDI will be on june 2010 on Cartoon Network:

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/promotion_landing_page/tdwt/index.html

That is the site, enter and have Drama!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.224.125.109 (talk) 21:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Total Drama Comedy
I don't know why the **** I am mentioning this already but I heard from a rumor that the forth season is going to be "Total Drama Comedy". The reason I am asking this question is that rumor predicted Total Drama, The Musical and got it right thus this article being here.

Can anyone find any sources of any kind backing this up?  -Pickbothmanlol-  21:36, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, even if there are sources, I don't think there should be a page for it yet, because we don't know much about it yet, and it is possible for the creators to name it differently, because Total Drama, The Musical may not be done being made yet, so the creators can choose to change Total Drama Comedy (if we find a source for it) anytime. -- Ha dg  er  21:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope they change the name for this one before we have noobs calling it a rip-off of High School Musical.  -Pickbothmanlol-   21:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I saw the article on the site where TDC was mentioned. I can't provide a link, but I can tell you right now that I don't think the site was too reliable. First off, it used a picture from the old Camp TV promo from 2006 to promote the show instead of a more current picture, even though the article was posted after the TDI finale. And another thing: it claimed that Total Drama Action was a spinoff of Total Drama Island, instead of an actual sequel! Now that obviously shows that the creators of that article don't know anything about Total Drama, and that the brief mention of Total Drama Comedy could've been anything from a rumor to a guess. When either Teletoon, Cake Entertainment, or Fresh TV discusses it, then we'll know for sure whether or not it's real. So I wouldn't be getting ready to create a page for Total Drama Comedy just yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.130.78.125 (talk) 04:19, 15 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think in TV series, a sequel is a spinoff. A spinoff is a show derived from another for the purpose of continuing the story in some way, maybe with a different cast, fewer characters, a different premise, etc.  A movie sequel might also be considered a spinoff.
 * http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spinoff (definition 2)
 * http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/spinoff (see: effect (n))
 * Hope that helps. —Twentydragon (talk) 12:31, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh...my...God. IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT! PLEASE READ THIS! It has just been confirmed that Season 4 of Total Drama is currently in production! And no, I didn't get this from that one site that mentioned the idea of a Total Drama Comedy; this came from the official TDI Blog itself, written by Mark Thornton himself! He finally made an update, and, while answering questions about TDM, he did make a brief refernce to Season 4, saying, "Wiritng has already begun on season four!" Do you know what this means?! It's real! Season 4 is happening! And I'll bet you anything that the title is Total Drama Comedy! Ha-ha! Oh, I knew it! I just knew that they wouldn't end a show as awesome as this one with only three seasons! Oh, this is gonna be great! 71.130.76.52 (talk) 16:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you provide the link for the blog? -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 17:46, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Either way, even if it is the official blog, I don't think a blog is a reliable source, but even if it is, I think it's a bit too early to put information about Total Drama Comedy, anyway. -- Ha dg  er  18:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait... We don't know what it's called. We can't just guess that it will be called Total Drama Comedy. I'm sure many wish we could, but on Wikipedia, we can only include facts, not guesses. Putting that season four may be called Total Drama Comedy without anything officially stating that would be very similar to putting a predicted eliminations. I'm sorry, but we can't put that it's called Total Drama Comedy. -- Ha dg  er  03:33, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Blogs may not be considered too official, but if it's written and owned by the guy who directed the first two seasons of the show, then it obviously counts for something. We know that MArk wouldn't be making up stuff or saying something that could later be proved false. And you guys are asking him for a link? You don't really need a link; you just type in Total Drama ISland in your "Search Engine," and it should be one of the top reulsts. The most recent article on there talks all about it! And again, we know that if Mark THornton says its true, then it's most likely true. 67.126.235.75 (talk) 18:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

You want the link? Here it is: 71.130.76.52 (talk) 20:34, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

So now, that makes two sources that both say there'll be a fourth season, with one source stating the name of it. Yep, I think it's pretty much confirmed now: There is a fourth season of Total Drama, and it will most likely be called Total Drama Comedy. I'm not suggesting that we write an article about it just yet, though. Like you said, Hadger, we know nothing else about it right now. Heck, it could have an entirely new cast for all we know! But whatever it turns out to be, I'm just glad that the series will continue on after TDM. 71.130.76.52 (talk) 20:47, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, whether or not you guys are ready to believe that season four exists, it looks like everyone else is. Not just the blog, but now the second most official Total Drama site on the Internet, Toal Drama Wiki, has started spreading the word about season four on their homepage. Yep, here comes the board-flooding. Comment after comment after comment will be attacking the Blog and the Wiki, starting all kinds of new speculation and demanding more information, even before season three has started yet! This is gonna be nuts. Personally, I have no idea why they would mention that now, way ahead of schedule, when, again, the third season hasn't even premiered yet. Maybe they just wanted to assure all the fans that TDM will not be the final season. But if I were you guys, I'd be getting ready for a bunch of fans who will be demanding that an article be created on season four. It may not be too likely to happen soon or on a large scale...but still, you never know with out-of-control fans. 70.235.227.140 (talk) 00:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, first, I would say there aren't many Wikipedians that have the Total Drama series as their favorite TV series. Second, the Total Drama Wiki is not an official Total Drama site. It's just created by fans, not the creators of the Total Drama series. Besides, they don't use sources, so we can't use the Total Drama Wiki as a source (in fact, we can't really use any wiki as a source). So we can't say that just because an unofficial wiki says that season four exists, it means that it does exist. The Total Drama blog is more reliable for me (not that I have anything against the Total Drama Wiki, but I think the blog is an official Total Drama website), although it can't be used as a source. -- Ha dg  er  01:14, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

The reason I say that it's the second most official Total Drama site on the Internet is because of the fact that, since it focuses entirely on Total Drama, it is more in-depth than any other wiki, and provides practically all the details. Plus, it has many more firm and honest users, who are much quicker at cracking down on vandals (not to say that you guys aren't, though; it's just that, since Wikipedia's bigger and more famous, there's obviously way more vandalism than this less heard-of site). Thus, it maintains more accuracy. And, in addition to that, it's had several users who were able to hook up with some of the creators or staff behind the show and managed to do interviews with them, thus obtaining more valuable information from the most official source that there is! Obviously, this means that if they start mentioning or making claims about things that most people haven't heard about, it's because they got it from behind the scenes. And just because it's a wiki doesn't mean it's not official. So, yeah. In all respects, it is the second most official Total Drama site on the Internet, mainly because it's an honest, truthful, and no-nonsense site. 70.235.227.140 (talk) 01:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, either way, we can't use another wiki as a source. Besides, once, it was sort of wrong. They put that Owen returned in Crouching Courtney, Hidden Owen (or whatever that episode is called), but then they changed it to saying he returned to Rock n' Rule, which was correct. -- Ha dg  er  02:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if it's right or wrong, I don't think we should put any information regarding TDC, yet.
 * Also, you don't know how often that website might get vandalized unless if you're actually the one editting it. They probably have a stricter policy of editing than wikipedia since anyone can edit (hence the motto). Roughly 97% of vandalism comes from anonymous users, but prohibiting IP edits would not eliminate 97% of all vandalism, because those inclined to vandalism could easily take the 10 seconds to register or log in. However, about 76% or 82% of anonymous edits are intended to improve the encyclopedia. -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 02:48, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

So here's a basic summary of all the sources that are at least more official than a wiki, and are responsible for what we know so far, all within two links that make obvious references to season four, and a third that might be talking about it, too: The Official TDI Blog: An advertising site called ComicMix: And this is another Blog, owned and run by Todd Kauffman, who was the other director of TDI. These concept designs are obviously his ideas for new characters for TDC: 70.235.227.140 (talk) 16:15, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Missing Someone
The article shows the returning and the non-returning characters (+ new ones) but isn't a character missing starts with a E. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.89.216 (talk) 15:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)


 * If you're talking about Ezekiel, then yes, he is not confirmed as a TDM contender, yet. I know there are lots of Ezekiel fans out there that put him into the article just because they saw him in the preview or just want him to compete, but there is no source so he cannot be put into the character table. See WP:Citing Sources and WP:No original research for more info. -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 17:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Well I, for one, think that it is a complete outrage that Zeke isn't included! Thank you for pointing that out, 99.254.89.216. I really think that this issue should be addressed. Maybe his name shouldn't be included on the chart, but he should at least be mentioned on the overall list of returning/non-returning/new characters. So what if he "isn't confirmed?" The fact that he is completely left out is an insult to me and all Zeke fans! It's almost as if you guys are deliberately excluding him! If you don't want to include him in the list of returning contestants for not being officially confirmed, then fine! But at least make a side note or something. After the initial list, you can add something like: "Ezekiel's status remains unconfirmed, as his passport was seen in the trailer, along with other appearances, but he did not appear in the Cake Entertainment flipbook. Thus, his participation in the season is yet to be confirmed." Is that too much to ask? 70.135.32.92 (talk) 18:59, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not our faults he may not be in the season. Besides, this is already covered on the character page. I think the "Ezekiel doesn't appear in the Cake preview" thing refers to the virtual flipbook. -- Ha dg  er  19:28, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I understand that, and I never said that it was your fault. All that I'm asking is that you include a note about Zeke on this page, preferrably like the one I mentioned in my last message, or like the one on the Characters page. The only thing that matters right now is that we include him, in any way we can. Leaving him completely out of the list will just cause more confusion. 70.135.32.92 (talk) 20:27, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, we shouldn't include him yet. If a reliable source can prove he is in the show, we can include him. If he is in the show when in premieres, then we can include him. I think that the whole character table and episode list should be deleted until the season airs. -- Ha dg  er  20:32, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I agree with that. Removing the list until the show airs? I agree with that. There's just one problem: A majority of the fans probably want to keep that list instead of deleting it. They just love getting a head start and getting prepared. As soon as you try to remove it, I guarantee that someone will immediately put it back. But if you can convince a majority of the same thing, then you might as well remove both the list and the chart. 70.135.32.92 (talk) 05:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if it was discussed on the talk page, people probably wouldn't add it back. Also, it doesn't really matter if fans want to keep it. A character table that is not completely accurate and unsure about all the characters wouldn't make Wikipedia better. Besides, the character table will be deleted once an elimination table is useful, anyways, as the elimination table would already cover it. -- Ha dg  er  05:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, NOW I'm mad. Someone just added Ezekiel to the list of NON-returning contestants! Hello? That directly contradicts with EVERYTHING we've just discussed! It's very likely that he IS competing, and even if it doesn't seem likely, then we should still add a note that he currently remains unconfirmed, and keep him OFF of BOTH lists! This is just stupid! Someone PLEASE change that and take Zeke's name off the non-returning list, and instead put a small note after that saying that we don't know whether or not Ezekiel is competing. 71.138.16.58 (talk) 00:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It says it appears that they are not returning, which is sort of the same as unconfirmed. Removing Ezekiel would confuse people. Since it says that it appears that he is not returning, that means the same as unconfirmed. If we put a note saying that Ezekiel is unconfirmed, we might as well do that for all the contestants that are on the list for not confirmed yet. All the contestants on the non-returning list are unconfirmed. Besides, it's not about changing the things that fans would like. It's about making the page as encyclopedic and easily understandable as possible. -- Ha dg  er  00:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

WHy are you mad? Was there ANYTHING ABOUT EZEKIAL ON THE DANG ARTICLE? NO! So I ASSUMED that he was not going to be on TDM because he was not in the trailer and was not even mentioned in any sources so I put that on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonio cruzazul (talk • contribs) 00:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

HAdger Ezekial is spelled with an A because that is how it was spelled in the TDI Rundown.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It was a mistake they made. It's actually spelled with an E if you look on Cartoon Network's TDI website. -- Ha dg  er  00:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

My bad, its been a while since ive edited something.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 01:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

In response to Antonio cruzazul's comment challenging me: Well, clearly you haven't seen the trailer! He appeared four times in the trailer, all of which showed him alongside the other contestants, on the plane, and much more that all depict him as a contestant! Plus, he had his own passport, just like all of the other main characters! Hello? That obviously counts for something. And you know, you are the perfect example of the fans who are so obsessed over Duncan or hate Zeke so much that you guys go strictly by the book. And by "book" I mean flipbook. Is there any reason to believe that the flipbook is any more official than the trailer? I'll answer that for you: No, there isn't! And if your precious little flipbook is just so perfect, then answer me this: Why does Ezekiel appear in the picture on the second page, directly below "If it's Tuesday - This Must Be Tunis". In the picture where everyone's lined up next to the plane, you can zoom in, and you can clearly see Ezekiel towards the back of the line, between Noah and Harold. So, in all respects, he does appear in the flipbook! So there you have it; he appears in the trailer, the flipbook, and has his own passport. You put the pieces together yourself.

Oh, and P.S. The "dang article" is certainly not the most reliable source, either. Seriously, how can you say that a lack of Ezekiel on the article perfect proof that he's not in it...when you just edited the article yourself? 71.138.16.58 (talk) 01:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

While I wait for Antonio to respond to that, I'm going to respond to Hadger's much more polite comment. I guess I can understand if you want to avoid one of those "edit wars," as you call them. And, with all due respect, I understand that a majority of the people on that list of "non-returning" contestants are technically more "unconfirmed" than "confirmed" to not be competing, namely: Ezekiel, Eva, Justin, and Trent. But personally, I really don't see any chance on earth that Geoff, Beth, Katie, and Sadie will be competing at this point. I'm not trying to start an argument here, because I have more respect for you, and because your comment was calm and not as harsh and rude as Antonio's was. But think about it for a minute. Those four are the only ones who did not appear at all in the trailer, did not appear at all in the flipbook, and, with the exception of the line about Beth and Duncan in the flipbook, did not even have a single reference made to them at all. In my opinion, people who still say that they may be coming back, or, more commonly, use the excuse, "No one has been confirmed not to compete" are just desperate fans who don't want to admit that their favorite characters aren't competing. It's the same thing with Duncan and Zeke, but hey, at least they have some hard proof in their favor. Granted, I am a huge fan of Geoff, and am disappointed that he's not in it, but I'm ready to accept all of the evidence and admit that he's not in it, as well as Beth, Katie, and Sadie.

Again, I want to maintain neutrality on this matter as much as you do, but honestly, the proof is mountaining up against them. I want to ask you this, right now, Hadger, and I'm asking you as yourself, not as an editor who wants to avoid conflict: Do you, yourself, and only you, honestly, truly, actually, sincerely believe right now, that any of those four will be competing? Do you? I'm not answering for you, but I know that you would have to agree with what I'm saying here. That is why, just to avoid confusion, we simply flat-out state in the article: "Geoff, Beth, Katie, and Sadie will not be returning." And after that, say, "Ezekiel, Eva, Justin, and Trent remain unconfirmed, as they may or may not be competing." Or something like that. I mean, surely you agree, right? Remember, just as you so well-worded it in your comment that I'm responding to, the article (and the talk page, too, for that matter) is not there to serve the fans, it is not there to post what they want to see, and it is not there to say just what the majority wants to hear; it's there to maintain accuracy, and bring the plain, simple, honest truth and facts, using what likely and plausible evidence it has gathered at that point to do so. Isn't that right? I'm not a registered user here, but I hope that my words and my logic will be just as effective as an actual edit. 71.138.16.58 (talk) 01:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, first, please don't say that my comment was more polite than Antonio's. Really, I have no idea how polite comments can be (trust me, capital letters don't really tell how polite a comment is [it just shows strong feeling], although it is suggested that italics [like this] are used instead). Secondly, I do agree that those four people are definitely not coming back, but since they are still unconfirmed, we can't put into the article that they are confirmed not to return until the season premieres (because of Verifiability). Thank you. -- Ha dg  er  03:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. Leaving them unconfirmed is the safest route to choose. -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 05:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, really?, How do you really think that Im a Duncan fan? If you havent seen my talk page, you would have seen that im an Owen fan! Well not to get off course, you get mad because I put that Ezekiel was in the not participating list when in fact you did add anything about your so called "Zeke". This was all not supposed to happen unless someone like YOU would have put a note that mentioned that he was undecided. He was mentioned on the talk page all right, but in the article, nobody (NOt even you!) put anything about Ezekiel until I finally came back to Wikipedia afeter a 2 month break!--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * He/she can't edit it, Antonio. It's semi-protected. (I'm not trying to say you're not smart or anything, I'm just telling you that). -- Ha dg  er  00:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Another thing, the thing that just blew me to the roof of what you keep saying is that why do I put this and I put that when in fact YOU PUT nothing on the article which confused me and made me change it. Why cant you stay neutral like Hadger, Dragono Fire, and ME?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

OH MY GOSH!!!!!!! YOU TELL ME THAT IM NOT POLITE WHEN IM JUST DEFENDING MYSELF AND PROVING YOU WRONG IN EVERY POINT! I HAD JUST NOTICED THAT WHICH JUST GOT ME MORE PEEVED! CAPITAL LETTERS DONT MEAN ANYTHING EXCEPT JUST STRONG FEELINGS LIKE DRAGONO SAID! HOW OLD ARE YOU TO TELL ME THAT I WAS NOT POLITE?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:18, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, Antonio. Yes, capital letters do not show impoliteness at all. However, it is suggested that capital letters are not used (and that italics are used instead) (unless it is the beginning of a sentence, the word "I", an abbreviation, etc.), even in comments. -- Ha dg  er  00:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok HAdger, but seriusly, with your neutrality,dont you think that I was sort of right to put Ezekial on the list of non-participants or to put him on the undecided list?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. I think it's ok to put him on the non-participants or undecided list (if you mean two different things, then it's better to put him on the undecided list). -- Ha dg  er  00:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

And look at the article! He has not changed what we put up there at all.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, he/she can't edit the article since it's semi-protected. -- Ha dg  er  00:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

That means that he/she is not an established user like me so they cant tell me what is right or wrong because they are not established. BTW whoever you are, I put that Ezekiel is undecided so no one is mad at anyone? The weird thing Hadger is that Im editing now like before when I was new and was putting non proved episodes of TDA that in reality were actually real.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I put him back into the non-returning list and put that those contestants still remain unconfirmed. -- Ha dg  er  00:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok well that now that there is nothing to really discuss, hows it been Hadger? Ive missed about 2 months of action?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the winner is (putting a ... in case you don't want to read it yet)... Duncan in the USA and Canada. -- Ha dg  er  00:52, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow wait a minute HAdger, Im a TDA Fan so I saw the finale, i meant in TDTM or in general.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, you know what? Forget it, Antonio. I'm not even going to try talking to you anymore. Maybe I overdid it when I said you were being rude with your first few comments, and for that, I apologize. And Hadger and Dragon of Fire are right: I'm not an established user, and you are. I can't change the article, but you can. But that doesn't mean that you're automatically right, and we unestablished users aren't, if that's what you're implying. But after seeing your last few comments, I'm the one who nearly hit the roof. You going off and asking me who I am to call you "rude,", as well as writing an entire comment in capital letters, and even admitting that you are simply trying to "prove me wrong in every point," without giving any vaild evidence or providing a solid reason as to why you are trying to prove me wrong. You know, if you had just listened to your friends, Dragon of Fire and Hadger, then you would understand at this point that it is highly preferred that you do not use capital letters. I've been told that before, and that's why now, I only use italics, like this. And like I said, I realized that at the time I responded to your first comment, concerning Ezekiel on the non-participating/unconfirmed list, that I was simply over-reacting to the sudden change (and for that reason, I'm glad that someone added the little note that he still remains unconfirmed at this point). But now, after seeing you only further attack me (which, if I recall, has also been directly advised against), and make comments that truly are rude, I'm simply going to throw my arms up and say, "Alright, forget it. There's no point in trying to be civil with someone like you. I'm sorry." 71.138.16.58 (talk) 04:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

WOW, Antonio. You really need to chil the &*%$ out, for god's sake! I may not be an established user, and I may not know the anonymos guy who put the comment above me, but sriously, yur just acting like a bully and a jerk. and he's right; you ARE basicaly saying that you establised users have a right to bully us anonymous guys around just because you think your so right all the time! You are a jerk, and it's people like you that make me glad i don't have an account on wikpedia. 206.78.90.158 (talk) 22:45, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

FOr @#%# sakes! I was finally over it and I was talking to HAdger calmly you you come and start talking more BS! Ok, look what does an established user mean? I have no clue, but since I can edit it because I am an established user and that mwans I am trustworthy of changing things in the article and you guyz arent, so from now on I dont want to talk to you "non-established people" until you are established. Dragono and Hadger, if they keep trying to talk back, can you say something because I did not come back to Wikipedia to receive some BS from other people Im not even friends with.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 22:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW I asked how old are you and If you hadnt noticed Hadger himself even put that he was one of the non participating contestants (not trying to point fingers there Hadger) I did listen to my friends but you had to just slap me in the face with the comment saying that I had a rude comment When in fact I was defending my response and in fact if you were so peeved you could have said for me to change it back and not start this stupid argument over Ezekiel!--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 22:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Im sorry to the other non established users that I might have hurt except the one who keeps talking to me in a way that I dont appreciate, I was only saying that I am an established user for a reason, I know that I might be wrong sometimes but I was trying to clear up some puzzled people looking at the article and even put that Ezekiel was undecided, and even still the original decision that I made was actually the one that was chosen so I apologize to those I might have offended, in real life Im not a bully but a straight A person in college.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't handle all this drama just over this cartoon. My personal opinion is that Ezekiel should be unconfirmed (I do not have any biase against him) and Duncan should be confirmed. It's just that I trust the Cake flyer more than the preview because the preview can be very misleading and doesn't directly point out who's in or not while the flyer does. It's not much proof, but it's the only source we have as of right now. Now that I do think about it, I agree with Hadger by just taking the character chart out all together to avoid all these arguments and insulting.
 * Previews, as I previously stated, can be misleading. They are only meant for you to watch what they are previewing and give you a little insight about what happens but not much else. Duncan's passport may have been accidentally forgotten by the producers. Or there might be some crazy twist as the first episode where someone gets eliminated and Ezekiel takes their spot. Or maybe Ezekiel is serving as an intern and there could be many other reasons. If the table does stay, we can add a note at the bottom saying Ezekiel had a passport, but was not listed as a contestant in the flyer. However, I think it should be taken off until there is more information from a reliable source. By the way, when he means established user I think he's just talking about an autoconfirmed user or someone who created an account. -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 23:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you DragonofFire, Ive been trying to stop this drama for 2 days already, I say we go with your plan to avoid any other dilemmas.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:32, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Fine. Believe me, I want to avoid all this arguing as much as you do. If we can both agree on the compromise proposed by Dragon of Fire, and completely remove the character chart altogether, than that's perfectly fine. And I appreciate that you apologized to me and all other non-established/anonymous users. And if you "don't appreciate" my comments, then I'll just tone it down a bit. Because, believe me, all this time, I did the best I could to maintain neutrality in what I said, like your friends Dragon of Fire and Hadger. And when I found out that it was you who had made that change in the article, then I calmed down a bit more. And I'm not going to start going off and calling you a "jerk and a bully" like that other anonymous user did. So now let's just forget all about this long and pointless argument, and continue on with discussing the basic changes in the article, and what we can do to make it better. After all, that's the point of a Talk Page, isn't it? 71.138.16.58 (talk) 23:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok but I have one question, how old r u--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If he/she doesn't answer, that's ok. They don't have to tell their age. If he/she does want to, however, then they can. -- Ha dg  er  00:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, now that everybody is on the same page, why dont we delete the chart now.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:10, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. 71.138.16.58 (talk) 01:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Since everyone was happy about the compromise, I removed the table until further information is given about the characters that are competing. -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 01:57, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 02:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. 71.138.16.58 (talk) 23:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Shouldnt we be trying to find a reliable sorce for the characters?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, we should. But the thing is, right now, there aren't any reliable sources. Originally, I thought that the trailer and flipbook were good, but because of the fact that so many things in them directly contradict with each other, I don't know which one to believe. The trailer was the first source released, maybe about a week or so before the flipbook came out, and it basically confirmed that the sixteen contestants were Owen, Gwen, Heather, LeShawna, Izzy, D.J., Lindsay, Bridgette, Harold, Courtney, Cody, Tyler, Noah, Ezekiel, Alejandro, and Sierra, along with Duncan, Trent, Justin, and Eva remaining unconfirmed, and Geoff, Sadie, Beth, and Katie confirmed as not returning. However, the flipbook comes out, and almost everything in it says the opposite of the trailer. It basically says that Duncan is in it instead of Ezekiel, and the other eight aren't even mentioned or shown at all (again, except for the little picture of Ezekiel at the bottom of the second page, and the brief reference to Beth in that one line). But the thing that makes the flipbook so irregular is the fact that it has been seen to be changed while still online. Especially with the line about Duncan and Beth in the final two for TDA being switched to Harold and Courtney. And that mistake still remains there to this day, even though we know now for a fact that it's wrong. I honestly don't know which one is more accurate, or if either of them are accurate at all. In my opinion, we need to wait for a third source; one that will definitely confirm who is and who isn't in it. Then, and only then, will we have solid evidence and be able to put the new and improved character chart back on the article. 71.138.16.58 (talk) 01:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Heres how I see it, the people put Duncan instead of Ezekiel if Duncan had lost TDA, since he won, Ezekiel would be in TDM.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that does make sense. And see, the whole idea of Duncan being in TDM (at least, judging from the flipbook) was the entire reason that everyone was instantly assuming that Beth had won. But now that Duncan has won TDA, you have to wonder if whether or not Duncan will be in TDM. See, my thoery is that the trailer could have been just an initial, early concept for the cast of TDM, and wasn't exactly accurate. The same for the flipbook, for the reasons I mentioned in my last comment; it keeps changing, which makes it very unreliable. As a result of this, I believe that the winner of TDA will actually determine which of those two finalists would end up in season 3. Since the prize in TDM is the same as it was TDA (one million dollars), then the winner would not be in TDM, but the runner-up will be. But, for various/yet-to-be-decided reasons, the runner-up will be the first person eliminated. That's why Duncan appeared so little in the trailer and the flipbook, both of which were released before the season finale, because, at that time, Beth was the pre-determined winner of the season, before the decision was made to let the viewers decide through the poll. And so, now that Duncan has won, they will probably change it to say that Beth is in TDM, and Duncan isn't (and, subsequently, they would probably include Ezekiel, too, so that they could have a more even amount of guys and girls in TDM: 8 guys, 9 girls), but Beth ends up being the first voted off. So that way, they wouldn't have to drastically change an entire season based on one different contestant; the one contestant who remains unconfirmed based on the TDA finale would be dealt with quickly, and the rest of the cast would stay the same. That makes sense, doesn't it? 71.138.16.58 (talk) 04:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Your theory is a lot better than mine although i think that Beth was never going to be in TDM. It was either going to be Ezekiel or Duncan, because like you said both of them were in the trailer so they just take out Duncan from the mix and its all good again.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Yep, that basically sums it all up. And you're right; if they had never put Duncan in the flipbook, then there wouldn't be all of this confusion and edit wars. I wish it was that easy, though. See, the thing is, Duncan is just "so popular", and is, like, "the most popular animated character EVER..." that they just have to have him in the season or else they'll get lynched or something. That just sickens me. Unfortunately, it's true. Duncan is overrated, and because he has too many obsessive fangirls who just "die" at the thought of his very elimination or non-participation, they're afraid to exclude him and his girlfriend in any season, which is why she came back to TDA at all. If you ask me, I think that the creators need to toughen up in that regard, and say, "Hey, you know what? This is our show; we run it, we choose who is and who isn't in it, no matter what you say, and how popular they are." The day they do that, I'll rejoice.
 * Well, they should do something like that, although if many people like Duncan and won't watch the season without him, they probably won't get much money from it. If they include him because of his personality, however, they could just make another character (such as Alejandro or Sierra) decide to do things that Duncan does. Duncan is one of my favorite characters, but it wouldn't really make a difference to be if he wasn't on the show. -- Ha dg  er  03:37, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

BTW, Antonio, did you read my comment for the section higher up on this Talk Page, "Total Drama Comedy"? It's at the very bottom of the section. Basically, I told everyone that it's been officially confirmed by Mark Thornton on the official TDI Blog that there will be a fourth season. And, by all accounts, it will be called Total Drama Comedy. I've provided the link, if you want to see it yourself. I can't imagine what season four will be like, though; it'll be hard to top the concept of TDM, huh? 70.235.227.140 (talk) 01:45, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Yea I saw the TDC u put on there, I would say the funniest characters would compete in stand up showdowns. Hadger look at my TDM predictions and look at where I put Duncan because that could very well be what happens because everyone likes Duncan, a fake animated person. Anybody who wants to look at my User Page should see the TDM portion because it can describe what could happen because Duncan is so popular.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 20:55, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe he is included, and the reason he is only seen for a little bit (same for some others) is because he doesn't sing when Chris rings the chime... I COULD see him not singing... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.100.144 (talk) 03:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I understand that he wont sing, but in TDA, I think there were some episode where in the challenges, Duncan didnt try at all and he still won the competition, so I dont think that him not singing has anything to do with it. I now realize that Alejandro the new bad guy could be behind the voting out of Duncan because in the trailer, he goes like " Ill eliminate them one by one if I have to" which might mean that he already did something like take out the biggest threat.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:46, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

when is TDM airing??????????
the article says that TDM will air in 2010. now its 2010, so shouldnt they tell us what day and month it'll air? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.124.25 (talk) 17:34, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, we can't, because we don't have a source that says when it airs. It means sometime in 2010, not the first day of 2010. If there's a reliable source that says when Total Drama, the Musical airs exactly, then we can put the month and day it airs. -- Ha dg  er  18:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Its like TDA, after TDI was finished we had to wait like 2 months before we found out the actual date of the premiere.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 19:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

And besides, on the official TDI Blog, in the same article that mentioned season four, Mark Thornton admitted that he doesn't know when TDM will premiere. He says that it could be as late as the summer or fall of 2010! 70.235.227.140 (talk) 23:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Important Stuff
Everyone should watch the marathon that is going to be on for the entire weekend for cartoon network because they were going to reveal some new shows that were going to air on CN. TDM could well be one of them and we could finally see a decent trailer that shows everyone.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 01:09, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I heard about that marathon, too! It's apparantly the marathon of that reality show: "Dude, What Would Happen?" They're talking about that on the Total Drama Wiki, too. They're hyping it up to finally be our first major hint of TDM since the flipbook. Another fact that supports this is the fact that the 6Teen series finale was yesterday (Friday the 12th), and now that that's out of the way, Teletoon, Fresh, TV, and Cake can finally focus on the TD series now. The only problem is the possiblity that, when it says previews for new shows, it could be referring to a brand new show, like that stupid new "Adventure Time" show they're talking about. And besides, TDM is technically not a new show, so much as it is just a new season of an old show. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed anyway; I won't be watching the actual marathon, but I guarantee that, given one day after the preview airs (if it does), then it'll end up on YouTube (Snaps) just like that, where everyone can see it, at any time, and with no one to stop it. 70.235.227.140 (talk) 20:01, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, the bad thing was that the 2 new shows were Adventure Time (boo!) and another show about a dude and a gorilla, so theres something that makes me feel that TDM wont be out for a long time even though when they were adveritsing TDA, it was like 5 months before.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think this is the right site to discuss this, because Wikipedia is not a forum. -- Ha  dg  er  02:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

This would be a different conversation if they actually did show a new TDM trailer.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 22:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. And chances are, if they had shown something, it would've finally put an end to the long-time battle of Ezekiel or Duncan. I mean, personally, I don't want to get that war started up again here, but I think it's a losing battle for all those who are against Ezekiel. Since Zeke appeared in the flipbook, just like all the others, had his own passport, appeared in exotic locations, and was alongside all of the other contestants, I think it's obvious that he's on. And another thing: I did a detailed and accurate head-count of every single character in the series in both the TDM trailer and the flipbook. When you combine the amount of appearances in those two sources together, Ezekiel has six appearances in total, and Duncan has only five. I'm not even going to bother arguing with the skeptics (not referring to you guys, of course), because for them, it truly is a losing battle. I think the evidence is clear enough, and I pretty much already know for a fact that Zeke will be in it. So I'm feeling good about the premiere...whenever it is. 70.235.227.140 (talk) 05:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You realize apperances do not mean much. I have explained this time and time again. Just because he was in the trailer, does not mean he is in TDM. Disregarding the Cake flyer, it seems plausible he could make it into TDM since he was shown multiple times in the preview. However, he does not appear as a listed contestant in the flyer. The flyer is more reliable than the trailer since the trailer can be viewed many different ways. Nevertheless, the flyer isn't exactly a reliable source, as it had contradictions in the past. The trailer does not specifically say who is in and who is out, but the flyer does. Holding a passport doesn't determine who is in and who is out, though it is a possibility. I am fairly neutral in this so-called "war", but my opinion is that Duncan is in and Ezekiel is unconfirmed (notice I didn't say he isn't in). You never know what may happen with these elimination reality shows. Maybe they will hold an immediate elimination and Duncan gets eliminated and Ezekiel takes his place or vice versa. Ezekiel may serve as an intern, etc. There are many possibilities of to what may happen, therefore we must go based on what has been given to us that lists the contestants which is only the flyer. When other sources pop up, then this might change. This is precisely the reason the contestant table was taken out of the article- it was too controversial. -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 23:45, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Your right, the flipbook wasnt wrong the last time for TDA, and now it could be right now, well we wont know for sure until the air date.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 02:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

That is true Dragono because what was everyone saying about Trent and Justin, they were interns, they were in the trailer as well.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 01:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Character 2
I thought we were going to leave out the character table until we got a reliable source to prove it.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:09, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I took out the elimination table. -- Ha  dg  er  01:22, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you, we dont want this to end up like last time.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Time to Change the Title
Hey guys, I think we've just got official confirmation that one of the mysterious logos that Mark Thornton put on the TDI Blog, TDWT, is now the new title of season three, that will be replacing TDM. TDWT stands for "Total Drama World Tour." And this site just confirmed that:. To see the logo on the Official Blog, look here: 71.142.14.219 (talk) 02:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I think we need a better source than a primary source and one that we do not know how reliable it is. -- Ha [[User_Talk:Hadger|dg ]] er 05:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I can understand if you're skeptical; this is just like with the site that mentioned "Total Drama Comedy." But the thing is, this one clearly lists all of the seasons, and, considering how much further into the series we are now then we were before (the site mentioning TDC wrote that article before TDA premiered), I think it seems a little more obvious. I mean, what are the chances of them screwing up so much as to accidentally call the third season Total Drama World Tour, instead of Total Drama, the Musical? It makes no sense except for if the title actually was changed. If you're still doubtful, then here's another theory on this subject, that was mentioned by a friend: It's possible that TDWT is going to be the title of season three here in America, and in Canada it will still be TDM. 71.142.14.219 (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe the blog is right, but still, we need to follow Wikipedia's policies, and theories may be true, but we can't post them on the article. -- Ha  dg  er  00:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep, it's confirmed now guys; Mark Thornton himself just put on one of the latest articles of the official TDI Blog that Total Drama World Tour is, in fact, the new name of season three. So that means it's officially confirmed. So, sooner or later, someone has to change the name of the article. 71.142.14.219 (talk) 23:51, 10 March 2010 (UTC) I tried but its semi protected and they protected the name.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Official Confirmation
So, you guys finally decided to change the title after all, eh? It's about time. Anyway, I think that it's also time for you guys to make another significant change: In the latest article posted on the official TDI Blog, Mark Thornton himself finally confirmed that Ezekiel will be in the season. So, it's time to add him to the list of "officially confirmed" competing contestants. 71.142.14.219 (talk) 02:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Well thats one character, but we still need proof for Duncan, Beth, Leshawna, and Harold.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:06, 13 March 2010 (UTC) BTW I wanted to change but it blocked me.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:06, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Really, Antonio? Maybe Duncan and Beth, but LeShawna and Harold? Come on. Those two have already been confirmed to return long ago. They both had their own passports, appeared frequently in the trailer, and were listed in the flipbook. What's the point of saying that? Yes, I agree with you that Duncan still needs proof, but as for Beth...I think that it's pretty obvious she isn't coming back. The list is perfect the way it is right now; it lists all seventeen contestants, and that's all we need. 71.142.14.219 (talk) 01:18, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

My bad I forgot, its been a while since I saw the trailer, I think Duncan is the wild card for the show right now.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Duncan
Is Duncan on season 3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayberrl (talk • contribs) 00:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the answer to that is that he is unconfirmed, so we don't know if he is or not. Wikipedia isn't really the place to ask. Talk pages are for discussing article improvements. I'm not trying to be harsh. I'm just letting you know so you don't get in trouble. -- Ha  dg  er  01:29, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Just as Hadger and Antonio Cruzazal said: For right now, Duncan remains as the only one who is still a wild card; he is technically unconfirmed as to whether or not he is competing. Geoff, Trent, Sadie, Beth, Katie, Eva, and Justin have been confirmed as non-competing, while Owen, Gwen, Heather, LeShawna, Izzy, DJ, Lindsay, Bridgette, Harold, Courtney, Cody, Tyler, Noah, and Ezekiel have been confirmd as competing. That's all there is to it. For right now, we have to just sit and wait for the show to air before we find out for sure. 70.235.226.85 (talk) 01:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, for now he is. I saw the Red Carpet Reunion Special. Just like usual, it all makes sense now after all the spoilers, there just too hard not to look at.

Notice
Everyone watch out for the sneak preview of maybe TDWT next week during the Spring Break Marathon because now I know Dragono and Hadger might disagree with me about the trailers, Cartoon Network has a lot better trailers than any other place and you can defitenetly trust them for knowing the characters.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:21, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, it's not very good to use talk pages for notices and stuff. Talk pages should only be used to discuss improvements for the article. Still, thanks for letting us know! I just don't want you getting in trouble or anything. -- Ha  dg  er  02:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

But you realize that this might actually really help the article and maybe we could get a character table down on the article.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I have to agree with Antonio here; this is definitely a notice worth taking into consideration, that will help improve the article and may finally allow us to return the character table to the page once more. Because it first popped up on Total Drama Wiki barely half an hour ago, and now it's spreading rapidly across the Internet. It's finally been confirmed on the official Cartoon Network website, that the TDA one-hour special, apparently called, "Celebrity Manhunt's Total Drama Action Reunion Show," will be airing at 8 PM, Eastern Time, on Tuesday, April 6th. Want to see it for yourself? Just go to the CN site; click on "TV Schedule" at the top left-hand corner; click on "Thursday April 1st" on the far right; scroll down to 8:30 PM, where it says "Total Drama Drama Drama Drama Island;" there click on "see all showings" on that same bar, and right there, second from the bottom on the showings list, it clearly says it in black and white. 75.10.103.45 (talk) 23:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, even if it does confirm the characters, we should still have a good source (so that means we can't use the Total Drama Wiki). -- Ha  dg  er  23:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I never said that TDW was the source; did you not read the last three quarters of this huge paragraph I just finished typing? I specifically said that it was on the official Cartoon Network site; probably one of the most official sources we can use right now. So, yes; we do have a strong and valid enough source to confirm this. Now it's just a matter of sitting back and waiting for April 6th. 70.235.226.85 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC).
 * I was just saying it specifically so no one would say something like, "Hey! The Total Drama Wiki confirms the characters, so those must be the characters!". I know you never said that. -- Ha  dg  er  17:07, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

This might be like the TDDDDDDDDI thing and will be like a competition to see who is in and out so.... lets try not to do rational things with this discussion.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:12, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Duncan and Ezekiel are both in
Well, looking at the recent special, the only question left is if one of the campers who didn't try to get help will return in the series. But this only raises the question as to why Ezekiel is not listed as a contestant in the flyer. Anyways, I think this can end all the arguments as to who's in. Great Pikmin Fan ( TD ) ( Talk ) 04:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

The characters are now confirmed
Now that "Celebrity Manhunt's Total Drama Action Reunion Show" aired, the characters are confirmed. Should we mark them as confirmed now? -- Ha  dg  er  05:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I think so. This is as much proof as we ever had so far. I'm glad the controversy between who is competing is finally over. -- Dragonof Fire  (龙火) 17:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Well I was right but i have a suggesttion that might benefit everyone, after we put the character table we lock the entire article so no one can edit it because there is nothing anyone can add there that is important until the season airs and it will help keep vandalism out.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 20:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that's a good idea, but unfortunately, there are a few problems: 1. It is semi-protected already (but I'm sure you probably mean fully protected so only administrators can edit it). 2. People may have to add things to the article, and it would be strange to have all auto-confirmed users (users that have made at least 10 edits and have been on Wikipedia for at least 4 days) have to ask administrators in order to edit a page that has not been vandalized. 3. Page-protection is only used if it has been vandalized a lot recently, not just to prevent possible future constant vandalism that hasn't even happened yet (those rules are different with templates, user pages, and user talk pages, though). That unfortunately means that the page could not be fully protected. Besides, I think semi-protection is enough to stop most vandalism. It's a good idea, though! --  Ha  dg  er  01:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Replacements
Like you know Beth andJustin are not in the game, but have their replacements

Sierra-Beth Beth in TDI like Cody and in TDWT Sierra like Cody

Alejandro-Justin Justin in TDI and in TDA is the hot guy, and is the "EVIL" boy on TDA, Alejandro is exactly like Justin.

Thankyou!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.224.125.109 (talk) 21:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * First, this isn't the kind of discussion used for talk pages (talk pages are supposed to be about improving the article), second, just because two people like the same person, does that mean the later is a replacement for the former? That would mean Ezekiel would be a Geoff replacement because they both like Bridgette. Great Pikmin Fan  ( TD ) ( Talk ) 22:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Justin and Trent
On the trailer we can see Justin and Trent, but they are not in the game, we can be sure that they will appeare on TDWT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.224.125.109 (talk) 21:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Courtney?
In the trailer and in the evidence we see Courtney with Heather, Gwen, and Izzy.

She can have an alliance with they?

She cant be the more hate bye the campers?

She have more friends?

She can--189.224.125.109 (talk) 04:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)Ricardo.
 * Well, that does not mean they are friends. They could just be on teams. For all we know they could just be having another boys vs. girls challenge. Either way, we cannot put them on the article (which is the Total Drama World Tour page). It's a good observation, though! -- Ha  dg  er  16:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

New TDWT Trailer
As a dedicated Wikipedia non vandal and major Total Drama fan, I, RealityShowsRCool, am happy to announce that there is a 45-second sneak peek of TDWT. I found it on Youtube. It says the locations for the first four official episodes, I believe. Egypt, Amazon, Alps, Paris is the order. Those episodes you have there will probably be episodes later on. Out of the promo comes huge spoilers and maybe a hint of who goes home pre-merge. The biggest spoiler of all is that it comes out early June! Isn't this great? (98.231.219.50 (talk) 18:06, 10 April 2010 (UTC)) or RealityShowsRCool
 * Um, okay, how about a link to the video? Twentydragon (talk) 20:13, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, dude; how do you know that those are the first four episodes? I watched that sneak peek myself, and it didn't say anything about those being the first four, so don't make auotmatic assumptions like that. 71.142.12.47 (talk) 22:32, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I have two responses. For twenty dragon, I said it's on youtube, and its not that hard to find. for the anonymous user with the IP, it's just a guess. Hopefully I cleared those questions up, thank you! (98.231.219.50 (talk) 23:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)) or RSRC PS I know I can be a drama king rofl =P

Fourth Season, Total Drama Reloaded, Confirmed
Hey, guys. It's definitely time to create a new page for the fourth season of Total Drama, Total Drama Reloaded. It was confirmed in a video by Christian Potenza himself, in which he visited the studio, the first recording session, and even showed us a script of the first episode. He was able to confirm that season four is, in fact, called Total Drama Reloaded. So, yeah. It's time to add mentions of this to all the necessary pages, now.

Here's the video:

71.142.12.47 (talk) 22:45, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

That also means that we can put in TDWT that there are 26 episodes since Christian said the finale was episode 78.This is so huge!--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:54, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I think it would be way too early to make an article about Total Drama Reloaded. The third season hasn't even aired yet, and that's about the only source for Total Drama Reloaded. Youtube isn't such a reliable source, though, especially since anyone can post anything and pretend they are someone else, so we shouldn't create an article on Total Drama Reloaded yet. We should wait for more reliable sources to come. -- Ha  dg  er  00:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

What about the 26 episodes part of it? Can we put that on the TDTW article?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 22:27, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * For some reason, the youtube user removed their video in that link. Great Pikmin Fan  ( TD ) ( Talk ) 22:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

It was probably too big of a spoiler.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Antonio's probably right. Potenza's probably searching up this page right now, seeing how many spoilers we can come up with LOL (98.231.219.50 (talk) 23:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)) or RSRC

Has anyone put in the article that TDWT is 26 episodes?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * No, but we shouldn't do that yet because it is not confirmed (98.231.219.50 (talk) 21:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)) or RealityShowsRCool

According to Christian Potenza, his final script for TDTW is episode 78 (26 in TDWT)--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:53, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Eliminations
With the evidence the first 3 to be eliminate will be Duncan, Bridgette, and Ezekiel

Leshawna will be eliminated because in the Trailer she is on the "Drop of Shame"

The winners of TDI and TDA(including the once of the alternative endings) cant win in other season

The evils characters( Heather, Alejandro, and possible Courtney) cant win

The girlfriends or the boyfriends of the winners cant win

The new characters cant win because we have more connection with the once of TDI and TDA.

The boys i think that cant qin thise season becausein TDI and TDA win a boy.

The only one that can win is.... Lindsay!!!! —Preceding

It is wrong, because Lindsay is Tyler's girlfriend--Fortunatissimo (talk) 11:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC) unsigned comment added by 189.224.125.109 (talk) 21:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the winning is based on votes, and we can't speculate (make up things based on what we saw) the eliminations. There are two reasons: 1. Putting it on the article would get you in trouble. 2. It is against Wikipedia to put guesses; we only put facts on Wikipedia. So, I am sorry to say that we can't put the eliminations on the article. --  Ha  dg  er  16:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Duncan I can understand, Harold is a high possibility, Ezekiel mabey, but Bridgette? What makes you think she will be voted off early? And why can't the boyfriends or girlfriends win, especially if they are only with the runner-ups? Great Pikmin Fan  ( TD ) ( Talk ) 22:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Commercial
The first commercial for TDTW came out in CN today. IT shows some confirmed characters and thats all.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:31, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Air Date
Has there been any info on when the premier is because it airs in June which is like 4 days away.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

http://www.cakeentertainment.com/flips/TDM/index.html
http://www.cakeentertainment.com/flips/TDM/index.html --24.45.36.157 (talk) 23:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, because on of the links, we now know that either DUNCAN or BETH wins TDA. Its say that duncan and Beth just got done battling it out on TDA... ... but which one was it... Duncan is shown in the middle of everyone, and Beth just didn't return...

Aw... I wanted Harold to win...

Thats da best news ive heard all day.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No one knows who wins TDA. It can mean anything. It can even mean they just worked hardest but were eliminated. You will never know until the episode premeires. -- Ha  dg  er  23:28, 19 October 2009 (UTC)  yes, but Duncan doesnt try AT ALL really. And Beth may try really hard, but she doesnt even return so why even mention her?? I honestly THINK Beth will win. So yeeeaaahh...

I know this isn't proven yet, however Harold may be the first to go. He doesn't appear in the picture of "Anything Yukon do, I can do Better". Then again, he just may be taken out of the shot or he may be somewhere else while Chris is explaining the challenge. I still cannot believe it's Total Drama, the Musical. Incorperating musicals just seems so ridiculous. However, the drop of shame should be nice. =) --DragonofFire99 (talk) 00:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

DragonofFire, the first episodes were Walk Like An Egyptian Parts 1 and 2 in which Duncan quit and Ezekiel gets eliminated. Harold gets eliminated in Super Happy Crazy Fun Time in Japan and Bridgette is eliminated in Anything Yukon Do, I Can Do Better. (User:DragonRush44) 9:48, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I must ask, how do u know that the 1st episode is "Anything Yukon Do, I can do Better?" (RealityShowsRCool (talk) 17:46, 25 October 2009 (UTC))

It probly isnt cuz MORE than just Harold is missing... Go take a CLOSE, CLOSSSE look at those links... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.96.125 (talk) 18:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know for sure it is the first or second or whatever. All I saw was that I counted the amount of people in the pic and the people who are competing (still unsure) and I came up one short from the picture and that camper just happened to be Harold.  Who else is missing?  --DragonofFire99 (talk) 02:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, never mind. I saw Duncan is missing as well. *gasp*  --DragonofFire99 (talk) 02:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I think they scramble the names to throw people off. It currently (Nov 21) says Harold and Courtney just finished. However, since we are down to the final two now, it's been revealed that Beth-and-Duncan was indeed the correct answer. Also, since Duncan is around for next season, it is reasonable to assume Beth wins, but that might not necessarily be the case. Twentydragon (talk) 06:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but you realize that in season 1, owen won and he returned to tda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcore101 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the one obvious factor that proves that Beth wins TDA is the fact that, in the opening speech by Chris in the trailer, he says, "They'll be competing all around the globe for another...million...dollars!" That right there says it all. It wouldn't be so obvious if it was a different grand prize, such as two million dollars or five million dollars. But it's still just one million. Same grand prize as Total Drama Action. And if Beth and Duncan are the final two, and Duncan is supposedly there, but Beth isn't, then she obviously won. Why else would she not be there? If TDA does, in fact, end with a kind of "Total Drama Drama Drama Drama Action" or something like that, what would be the point of Beth giving up the million that she just won just to search for another million dollars? I could understand that more easily if someone like Lindsay was the winner, but she's already been eliminated. So that's it. Beth will win, even though I hate to admit it, but the proof is all too undeniable. 71.130.78.125 (talk) 20:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It might be logical to say that, however they might come up with two alternate endings like with season one. -- Dragonof Fire (Talk) 20:56, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Lindsay?
In the trailer we can se that Lindsay recived two things similar to the Golden Chris but in this time there are popcorns that means that she will not be elimnated fist or second but we dont know what episodes are that so she can get as far as in TDA also acordin to the evidence she can win. Also she will be friend of Bridgette. Lindsay will be manipulated by Alejandro, she allways is manipulated, do you thing she can get her alianze in the fourth season? cause it will be a fourth season cause they not createtwo new carachters only for one season. What do you thing about her?--189.224.125.109 (talk) 04:47, 8 April 2010 (UTC)Javier
 * Well, actually, anyone can win the season! The winning is based on votes by people watching it (and I mean real people, not just the fake fans that are in the TV show). Not only that, but people that get voted off may return. Plus, in Total Drama Action, Courtney returned to the show, and she didn't even make it into the season. Trent, Justin, Eva, Katie, Sadie, or Geoff may even win by suing Total Drama World Tour or find some other way to get into the season. What I am saying is anyone can win the season. -- Ha  dg  er  16:15, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont undertand you we are telling what is in our minds.--201.121.24.36 (talk) 03:35, 31 May 2010 (UTC)Ricardo

Teams
Shouldn't we put the teams on there now? I tried to do it myself but it is semi-protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayberrl (talk • contribs) 19:09, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Song list and character elimination should not be presumed for duncan at this point
A song chart should be added with a link to a youtube video posibly. And we shouldent be to shure that duncan has quit it just being halfway through a two parter especialy because this is the third two parter and in the other two nobody was eliminated halfway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megamaxxor (talk • contribs) 22:23, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Song chart? If that's one song per character per episode, that's too much trivia to list. Link to a YouTube video? Out of the question, as that'd be copyright infringement. As for whether it's speculative to say Duncan is out for sure, there's nothing wrong with saying he's quit now, if that's his status, and then revises if it changes after the second episode. —C.Fred (talk) 22:26, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

well I mean the song sang in each episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megamaxxor (talk • contribs) 23:32, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

About the so-called "Elimination Table"
Shouldn't we make the ETs like they were the past two seasons? If you unprotect it and you give me permission to revise the ET like the old ones, I'd do it. But idc. Give me ur thoughts about it. (98.231.219.50 (talk) 23:23, 13 June 2010 (UTC))
 * I wish we could unprotect it, but that would give the article a risk of vandalism. I wish that it hadn't been vandalized so often. I know it had nothing to do with you when it was protected. However, it is a good idea to make an elimination table for TDWT. -- Ha  dg  er  00:58, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Hadger, it is oging to have to be done eventually or the article wont really be sufficient, also an elimination table.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Top TDWT winners
This is ONLY AN IDEA of what could result in the elimination table.

1st[Winner]:Harold

2nd[Runner-up]:Courtney

3rd:Alejandro

4th:Izzy

5th:Ezekiel

6th:Duncan 2nd

7th:Owen

8th:Noah

9th:Tyler

10th:Lindsey

11th:Heather

12th:DJ

13th:Cody

14th:Sierra

15th:Gwen

16th:Bridgette

17th:Leshawna

18th:Duncan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.98.52 (talk) 03:26, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Tyler Eliminated?
Who keeps putting in the elimination table that Tyler is eliminated Episode 2? Whoever is doing that plz stop.

People...It is confirmed that Duncan is out first. He quit due to Courtney and Gwen acting like bitches with him. Ezekiel gets out next, then Harold, then Bridgette, and then LeShawna. Then its the Aftermath. So I assume that Duncan and Ezekiel will return later in the game, since Ezekiel is determined to get farther in the game. Sierra and Izzy switch teams in Walk Like An Egyptian Part 2 due to the camel. (Izzy's favorite language is Camel.)Apparently, Owen or Heather is eliminated next. Cody is most likely the second highest ranking Amazonian in the competition, and Alejandro...well, you know. That's all the information I could get, and it is totally reliable. I examined all the trailers for Total Drama World Tour, and was able to concur on that hypothesis. You just have to watch and see whose next. But as you all know, Team Victory has bad luck at the beginning of the show, since DJ and Lindsay are the only ones left by the first Aftermath, but they make it to the Final 2 this season. My Prediction and reason:

19th: Duncan: Didn't sing

18th: Ezekiel: Lost the challenge

17th: Harold: Alejandro made him Quit

16th: Bridgette: Got stuck to a pole

15th: LeShawna: Firted with Alejandro

(Ezekiel and Duncan Return)

14th: Heather: Choose the wrong path in the amazon

13th: Owen: His team got tired of his fear of flying

12th: Courtney:Saw Gwen and Duncan kissed but nobody belived her and voted her off

11th: Duncan(again): Everyone found out that they did kissed and duncan quit to save Gwen

10th: Izzy: Went crazy with the challenge and everyone got mad

9th: Ezekiel(again):They were visiting L.A. and he gave up on winning to stay there

8th: Tyler:Basicly lost the chalenge and was automatically eliminated

7th: Noah: Refused to sing anymore

6th: Gwen: Missed Duncan to much to go on

5th: Cody: Got tired of Sierra and Quit

4th: Sierra: Alejandro made Lindsey and Dj vote her off

3rd: Alejandro: Dj and LIndsey teamed up to kick him off

2nd: DJ: His curse made him lose

1st: Lindsay(but we all know the case is thrown into the volcano in Peru, the site of the final challenge)

Thus Season 4 is started with 18 contestants, (yes, 18) 6 returning, 12 all new.


 * Where did you get this information from? Great Pikmin Fan  ( TD ) ( Talk ) 03:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I got this information from watching all the trailers and looking carefully at that Season 3 flipbook. It is all totally reliable, except for the Owen part probably. Oh yeah, Duncan and Courtney break up and Duncan goes out with Gwen. Courtney goes out with Trent. That girl Blaineley from the Celebrity Manhunt Special is comfirmed to be in a episode of Total Drama World Tour in a bridesmaid dress, so it is probably an Aftermath episode since Courtney and Owen were seen there. This came from the Cartoon Network commercial after the premiere in America. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.208.122 (talk) 13:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

TDWT Image
Scince there is a good pic for TDWT, I think we should put it on there. It is the one with everybody singing at the end of "Come Fly With Us". (There is a still of it on the Total Drama blog.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayberrl (talk • contribs) 20:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It would probably be better to be better to put the picture at the end of the theme song (it has the title and each character, including Chris and Chef, I think). -- Ha  dg  er  23:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

That might work, let's see what everybody thinks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayberrl (talk • contribs) 17:57, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't realize it didn't have Owen or Zeke in it. And, I don't think we sould use the Cake flyer. We could put the part on the opening where they are all standing in a human pyramid and kicking. ?--Mayberrl (talk) 23:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

TDWT Episodes
I think we should start the normal episode list for TDWT now. We should just put the episodes that have already aired, and not "Super Happy Crazy Fun Time in Japan", "Anything Yukon Do I Can Do Better", or "Broadway, Baby"(or made up ones), even though they are alredy confirmed. I mean, we know the last two seasons people were putting episodes that hadn't aired yet. Anyone agree?Mayberrl (talk) 18:22, 24 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayberrl (talk • contribs) 18:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, so now I found the episodes list and it has a whole bunch of TBA episodes on it. Whats with that?!?!?!--Mayberrl (talk) 22:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Mayberrl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.1.117 (talk) 18:29, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

People, the songs for the following episodes are up on YouTube so I updated the song challenge on the List of Total Drama World Tour Episodes page Look up the songs on YouTube before you delete what I just said. Please believe me, the person on YouTube may have indeed got these songs from Teletoon as a spoiler for the fans. There is absolutely no way they can fake everyone's voice and organize a song like that without it being real. The people can know what the song is, the situation is the complete opposite for the eliminated competitor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.208.122 (talk) 21:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, even if the songs are real, YouTube is not a good source, so we cannot put the song names until the episodes have aired. If you have a better source, then maybe we can put the song names on the article. -- Ha  dg  er  23:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Nah, they can have it because the guy got it from Teletoon apparently. Christian Potenza spoiled it for us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.208.122 (talk) 10:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers: Be Aware!
Well, I saw on these little cards (I can't get the links now, sorry) that there was locations and the people who got eliminated in these locations.

And I also saw images of all the locations, I mean, ALL of them. I can't get all of the locations in my head but here are some that I can remember:

Egypt 1/2 Japan 3 Yukon 4 NYC 5 German Alps 6 Amazon or brazil 8 Paris 9

And that's all I can remember in order

But there is confirmed locations such as Jamaica, Australia, Niagra Falls, Hawaii, Sweden, London, and Greece/Rome.

--RSRC


 * Well, you cannot be sure it is the truth unless it was directly from the producers of the show (which is unlikely). There are always lots of fans who create rumors about reality shows which makes it really difficult to believe anything you find on the internet. And, besides, I really doubt that the producers would spoil the season since hardly anyone will watch it. -- Dragonof Fire  (龙火) 00:14, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

semi-protection proposal
I suggest that semi-protection be applied for this article due to the frequent uncited edits being made. I suggest protection be made for 7 days initially. -84user (talk) 20:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC) I AGREE! PPL KEEP ON PUTTING SPOILERS OR UNTRUE INFORMATION THAT IS COMPLETLY OUT OF HAND! IM OK WITH THE SONG TITLES BUT THE ELIMINATION AND UNTRUE HAS TO STOP! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.208.122 (talk) 22:39, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, spoilers are alright (unless it is put on an unaired episode; then that's untrue information). Anyway, the page was semi-protected, but it was made so edits by non-autoconfirmed users have to be reviewed by a reviewer; that was done for a trial. After the trial, the page will probably be put back to semi-protection, so don't worry. -- Ha  dg  er  02:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Characters
We do not know the names of the characters returning for TDTM, but we do know there will be 15 returning campers from TDI. Rumor has it that all of the campers who didn't make it to Total Drama Action will automatically have a spot. Also, there will either be 7 or 15 (McGillis said that there were gonna be 2) brand new characters on Total Drama The Musical. The returning campers will be announcement after Total Drama Action. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Delfino12  (talk • contribs)  15:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * In other words, when you don't know, and can't prove it, don't add information to the article. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  16:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Total Drama School is season 4. I'm good friends with the creators (Robert and his friend Jordan) and they said Fresh TV said yes and that it should be out by 2011 or 2012. Partysmores999 (talk) 18:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay! The challenge is to tell how or why each of your characters were eliminated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.27.189.219 (talk) 15:34, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, everybody, there's no need for references now, we've got somebody who is FRIENDS with the creators! That's so special, and I can't imagine that anybody would just MAKE THAT UP or anything.  Just in case, though, I'll just ask my good buddy to check it out. -- ArglebargleIV (talk) 19:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I am friends with the creators of season 4, not season 3, remember that guys. Partysmores999 (talk) 20:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you are not. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  03:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Returning charecters listed :prediction!:   Justin Duncan Eric :new: Harold trent gwen steve:new:  bridgette geoff.thats one team nerxt team ill right later bye! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffy101yea (talk • contribs) 21:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Guys, it was confirmed new and old characters will compete by Mark Thornton. Look here! --74.106.76.64 (talk) 15:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The interview even mentions Heather as well as others, I bet this means she makes it to Season 3, coul we confirm Heather as a season 3 contestant or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.9.162 (talk) 16:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Its reall!! Trailer Here !! --69.142.28.247 (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Duncan's not in the game--72.51.133.15 (talk) 14:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

How could he not be in it? show me where! Please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kk99aa (talk • contribs) 13:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Look at the trailer--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Duncan is going to be in the game. Either that, or he will be in, but he'll be eliminated first. Personally, I'm fine with either option; he is seriously overrated, and he has had WAY too much time in the series at this point. It's time for some OTHER characters, such as Ezekiel, Noah, Tyler, and Cody (all of whom have not had nearly as much screentime as he has) to have a chance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.130.78.125 (talk) 04:06, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Please don't discuss who should be in the season and who should be eliminated in what order, because discussion pages are for discussing improvements to the pages and stuff like that. Wikipedia is not a forum. -- Ha dg  er  04:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

a lot of people say Ezekiel isn't returning but this proves it [ ] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.100.131.109 (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, other wikis aren't good sources. Sorry, but that doesn't really prove that he returns, so we still have to keep him as unconfirmed. -- Ha  dg  er  18:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

You people need to follow up on the Total Drama Series more often. Season 3 has already started and it is not called Total Drama The Musical, it's called Total Drama World Tour. Duncan, Ezekiel, Harold and Bridgette have already been eliminated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DragonRush44 (talk • contribs) 13:42, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * This discussion took place 6 months ago, DragonRush, which means TDWT did not premiere at the time of this discussion. -- Dragonof Fire (龙火) 18:02, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I made something for TDWT!
It's a picture of Sierra! I got bored, so I DECIDED to do this! Just take a quick look, and then I'll leave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.130.228 (talk) 00:54, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The air date will be on canada on june 10 2010 and in unites states on june 21 of 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.121.24.36 (talk) 03:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Where was this information found?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * total drama wiki but also just google search total drama world tour and youll be sure to find an airdate —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.219.50 (talk) 20:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Please precede your post with a colon, not a space, when indenting. Your post was breaking the format of the page.  Twentydragon (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Elimination Table
We should create the elimination table since the first episode aired on Teletoon last night and its on youtube. Plus now we know that Duncan quit. So we should create the elimination table now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.9.162 (talk) 16:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Explain why Duncan is in the previews for the later episodes then? It probably means he comes back later. --Alpha299 (talk) 16:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but as of right now, he's out. That's solid enough for the table.  Twentydragon (talk) 04:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)