Talk:Toto (band)/Archive 1

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Hey guys. Like you can see, the german article on Toto is quite extensive, marked as good article and not far away from becoming featured. Perhaps you want to translate it? If here's nobody with knowledge of German, i would offer to translate a raw version with my intermediate level of speaking English. See also on the commons, there are a lot of useful pictures of Toto and its members. Kindly, Norro 20:24, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah as we are here... Don't you think Bobby Kimball could be named first as he is the LEAD singer? Paich sings too, but he's not in the front ... -andy 80.129.82.54 13:03, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

The band's original leaders are/were David Paich and Jeff Porcaro, so if anything, I'd suggest moving Jeff's name up next to David's. --Jmsogw 20:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

1976
I thought the band started 1976?!!

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Obevly reverential
This article is overly reverential. Nothing wrong with that but it fails to strike an impartial note I think. I was a fat pig back then. Then I was a Horse. Then a Toto. Then a Skinny Cow. Suck
 * Overly reverential? I thought it was written by the band. Bloodarrow 18:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Dune only film?
The article says that Dune is the only film work Toto did. But the Grease (film) article states that Toto did the instruments for the soundtrack. Is this not considered as film work because the music was not composed by Toto, or because maybe it was not under the name 'Toto' but under a different name, or is it simply forgotten? --Pie.er 06:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Mistakes in the article
There's a mistake in the discography. The live album "Absolutely Live" is linking on a The Doors live album with the same title. I like the music of toto, but I'm not involved enough to change the entries. greetings from rhein-ruhr area in germany! --80.140.225.139 21:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

"It is also said thatToto got their name from the plumbing company, Toto. When in Africa, the clean water supply was from the toilets which happened to be manufactured by Toto. The song" "Africa", was inspired by their expieriences while in Africa." Any cite? Sounds like an urban legend- and besides, the origin of the name was already explained (and better written) a few paragraphs up...

Connecticut
Didn't they start in Connecticut and relocate to LA?

Porcaro Brothers were born in Connecticut, but they moved to california while childs.

Grant High School
Whereas the Porcaro brothers may have attended Grant High School (I have no idea about that), I know for a fact that David Paich did not. He attended Chaminade, a Catholic prep school in West Hills, California. He was there from the beginning of 9th grade through graduation. Of this I am certain because I was there with him. Rural Still Life was indeed a band that frequently played at Chaminade, and no doubt at other valley area schools I would assume. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.240.48.33 (talk) 03:59, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Name capitalisation
Is the band's name Toto? If so, why does the article keep referring to TOTO? --Alynna 17:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * All those TOTOs seem to have been added recently. It looks like large chunks of text were pasted in from someplace and it reads like a biography or magazine article.-Crunchy Numbers 17:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This stuff was added here. -- Revision as of 16:52, 23 November 2006 (edit) (undo) 74.118.184.242 (Talk) --- -Crunchy Numbers 17:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that all caps “TOTO” is just plain weird, and I'm not aware of the band ever having used it. Which makes it just look tacky.  Unless somebody objects, I'll go through and change all occurrences to “Toto” sometime soon. Neil 07:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Today totoofficial.com uses all-caps. I think the article should honor the change. &mdash; tbc (talk) 04:59, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Dune a "Cult Phenomenon"
The last I check Dune is one of the most embarassing Critical and Financial Flops in Film History; so much so that the David Lynch has disowned it. While it is a Cult Film; I wouldn't consider it to be one worthy of the title Cultural Phenomenon. Cult Films that are also Cultural Phenomenons are would be Star Wars, The Wizard of Oz, Planet of the Apes, Rocky Horror, etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.63.207.223 (talk) 06:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

What's the relevance of the Zdravko Colic paragraph?
The last paragraph under Toto_(band) about a Zdravko Colic remaking "Hold the Line" as "Oktobar je, pocinje sezona kise" seems completely out of place to me. Any objections to it being removed? Neil 01:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Song Sample
As soon as my heart stops beating... Anticipating... As soon as forever is true, I'll be over you... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paterdivin883 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Copyright
The page was recently blanked by 74.118.184.242 on the basis that much of the content was copied from Toto's official site. I think some of the content can probably be gradually re-added providing we are careful not to use sections from their official site or any other copyrighted source. The version prior to the blanking is here. --Jon186 19:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Comparing the content in the current version with the version I linked to above, I found it is the contents of the Biography sectoin that has been removed, but that the entirety of that section was based on Toto's official website history page, (with some minor modifications). So the content cannot be re-instated, it will have to be written from scratch. --Jon186 20:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

To the post about copyright above, YES, the biography must be written from scratch. Absolutely NOTHING can be taken from Toto's official site. Must be in own words. --Cd50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Copyright note
To 74.118.184.242 - Regarding the note you added "All information has been deleted and MUST REMAIN deleted...", I feel that this is a bit unnecessary, and unfriendly towards non-editors who are just browsing for information. I think it is unnecessary because looking at the history of the page, I see no record of any user re-adding the copyrighted information which you deleted. If it were the case that users were repeatedly re-adding the copyrighted information, then the usual policy would be to give them a series of warnings, and if they continue to add the copyrighted content then they would be blocked from editing (as stated at Wp:copyvio). If numerous different users were adding copyrighted content, then I would see the value in such a warning. --Jon186 19:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Totally agree. --ΛэтєяиuS 19:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I've written a brand new biography
Ok, I've gone and written a brand new biography with no copyright information. I think it's pretty good as it's very detailed and yet at the same time, not overdone. I hope you guys like it. I'll continue to tweak it for improvement.

--Cd50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the great job you've done. --ΛэтєяиuS 13:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Bio
Hey cd50:

I think it's a bit daft to say that I'm including "incorrect" information, where you wrote "so and so was fired for using drugs and was arrested" and I say "so and so left the band."

I wrote the official biography of the band for their website and for TotoNetwork.com, so I think I might have a bit more inside information on what has happened than you have.

I CAN tell, however, as an attorney, if you're going to start citing back to illegal activities and you're going to print that stuff without any sort of direct reference whatsoever, you need to be a bit more careful and ensure that what you're saying is 100% accurate. I can tell you unequivocally that there are circumstances and details surrounding several of the incidents you cited that are factually innacurate.

I spent 2 hours editing your bio yesterday to make it flow a bit better -- since I wrote the entire first part and was going to complete it at at later date -- and I think it's rather rude that you replaced the entire thing because I changed the word "fired" to "left the band."

If you want to add any of that other libelous crap back into the history feel free, but how about you add it back into mine, since it looks a bit more professional?

Thanks,

Steve McVey Webmaster www.toto99.com

PS Who can we contact here at Wiki about this copy-right problem? As the author of the Toto99 website, I don't think we'd have any issues sharing the information with Wikipedia to ensure accuracy.

SM
 * Steve - There is information for copyright holders on submitting their copyright material at Copyright_problems under the heading "Copyright owners who submitted their own work to Wikipedia", if that's what you're after. --Jon186 20:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

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WELL, "libelous" is a big word, when some of this information should be verifiable. Of course, "fired" is tough to verify unless someone involved gives a direct quotation without opposing view.

But arrests should be public record, and as for drug use, Steve Lukather himself states "Bobby was fucked up. We gave him a hundred chances.  Then when he got busted and shit like that, he wouldn’t show up and we wouldn’t know how to find him.  This was before cell phones.  He’d show up and he couldn’t sing because he’d burnt his voice from getting high." He further states "But on The seventh one tour, Joseph got the drug disease. Now we’re all friends, he’s straight and he does scores for TV.  But he got fucked up, and we had to end that." http://www.stevelukather.net/Interview.aspx?id=46 Also, a former coworker of mine who worked on The Seventh One called the band "Toot-o" because he said he never saw a band do so much cocaine. And again, Lukather himself talks about doing "buckets for blow" on the The Al and Ed Music Show DVD.

I would agree anything unverifiable should not be in the contents, especially if potentially libelous. But people look at Wikipedia in part to check the truth about these situations, so the wording should not be sanitized in the name of "niceness" or whatever.

For example, why does the bio state Jeff Porcaro died of allergic reaction when the L.A. Times published the coroner's finding otherwise? (Hardening of the arteries due to cocaine use I believe it was)... Oinkdillo (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Even Allmusic reports that Porcaro was a coke casualty. Shouldn't be anything wrong with saying so here. The Sanity Inspector (talk) 00:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Greg bissonette played with them
Please note that Greg Bissonette also played live with toto a few times. I can't remember the date, but it was something like 1996 when i saw them live in switzerland with Greg. Anyone can find information about that ?


 * => Gregg Bissonette played with TOTO in late 1995 (first leg of the European Tambu Tour) while Simon Phillips was sick. Simon returned to the Band early 1996 and did the rest of the tour

Best regards Mark webmaster@toto99.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.189.92.144 (talk) 10:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

New photos
I've added some new photos I took at a gig some days ago. It's part shameless, selfish, photographic exhibitionism, but I also felt that the previous pics didn't do the band or the individual members much justice. Same with the photos on the articles on Steve, Bobby, Greg and Lee, which were all horrible. I hope you people appreciate these new ones. :)

--Magnushk


 * The old ones weren't "horrible", but the new ones are better. --ΛэтєяиuS 18:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys.

I like the new pictures but wouldn't it be better to add pictures that suit the current year in the article? For example, on the TOTO IV section, there could be actual pics from 1982 of the band. I know there are copyright issues but there must be SOMETHING that can be done? Just look at other band's bios here. There are several pictures on there that are "official" so to speak (Dream Theater). I would do this if I could but I have NO idea how. Great work guys!


 * These copyright issues are killing. It's so hard to work with them on the head. If you can provide us photos that don't have these "copyright" problems, that would be great. --ΛэтєяиuS 09:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey everyone -- love the pics and stuff added to the site! I have a ton of these older pictures in my archives, I'll try and pull a few for Wiki, although I'm unsure how to post them! Looks great! -- Steve McVey, webmaster, toto99.com --User:SteveMcVey —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 13:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I echo that sentiment. I put up one photo of the original band, and noticed there are many photos scattered about, with no particular order; there are respectively 3 photos of Kimball, Lukather and 3 more of the two together, out of balance compared with the rest of the members. Should I lighten the photo count a bit, and put the remaining ones in chron order? Ohconfucius (talk) 14:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This page is way overcluttered with images. One good quality image of the currect "major/veteran" members of the band should be enough. Get rid of the 'hired hands'. There is not really any need for the image overkill down into the 'tech' sections like the current discography section has. 156.34.142.110 (talk) 14:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Michel Rubini
I think the band owes thanks to composer Michel Rubini - Sonny and Cher's musical director - for his early career assistance. - 76.94.55.223 (talk) 23:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Section on breakup
The section about Toto's recent breakup could really use some cleanup. There are word usage issues, misspellings, and insufficient citation. I'll do it myself in a few days if no one else jumps in. I'm holding off on it right now as I'm not an expert on the group and therefore I'd mainly be reworking what is already written. Someone with real knowledge of the situation could probably do a better job. Mantisia (talk) 19:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Breakup should be researched further. According to their official website (http://www.toto99.com/blog/updates.php) it seems that the band has planned upcoming performances in CA, as of 6/10/2008. Timhunger (talk) 01:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Those are actually dates for Steve Lukather's solo tour, not for the band. However, I also find it odd that the Toto website mentions nothing of a breakup despite the statement by Lukather on his website. --ThunderPX (talk) 12:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Best known for...
Toto had lots of hits, but they had three huge hits ("Hold the Line" - #5, "Rosanna" - #2, "Africa" - #1), so those three should be the ones highlighted in the lead paragraph. I'm updating it... please discuss here if you disagree. (Chart info from here.) 28bytes (talk) 19:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this is fine. These are the songs that are still frequently played on the radio today.--Sylvia Anna (talk) 20:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Infobox
Don't make drastic changes to the info box unless discussed first.Other dictionaries are better (talk) 13:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)