Talk:Toungoo dynasty

Move

 * Move to Toungoo Dynasty (following WP capitalization style in the naming of dynasties, such as Qing Dynasty). Badagnani (talk) 06:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, it's not necessary. Keep this page like this same as other articles, such as Pahlavi dynasty, Alaouite dynasty, Solomonic dynasty. 68.120.227.206 (talk) 02:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Map
I think the map is wrong. It doesn't include entire Ayutthaya, Lanna, Lan Xang and Mong Mao. Per Libermann Bayinnaung's empire extended to the border of Cambodia in the east. The map doesn't reach to Cambodia border.

If the map is true, Bayinnaung's empire is probably not the largest empire in the history of Southeast Asia. It is smaller than Khmer Empire, not to mention Majapahit. S WH  talk  18:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that the map from Harvey's History of Burma (1925) can be improved to more explicitly include Lan Xang and eastern borders. If you read closely, Harvey's map does say in fine print that Cambodia and Annam "probably sent propitiatory tribute" to Bayinnaung. Burma historians of the colonial era tend to be quite cautious/conservative in reconstructing the size of the Burmese kingdoms. Look at the Pagan Empire. Burmese and Siamese chronicles report a much bigger Pagan Empire than it's been presented in Harvey (1925) or Lieberman (2003). For example, local histories of some southern Thai cities on the Malay Peninsula and local histories of upper Menam valley claim that Anawrahta founded them or had control over them but they are not accepted. To be fair, Lieberman (2003) also shows a Khmer Empire that's much smaller than what you now see on the map currently on Wikipedia: It barely controlled central Siam, without any control over the Tenasserim coast or the Malay peninsula. Majapahit is mainly a Java-based empire that included coastal areas of Sumatra and Malaya. Even if Majapahit controlled all of Sumatra, Java and Malaya, which is not clear it ever did, I'm not sure it was bigger than Bayinnaung's empire: Burma (without northern Arakan), Manipur, Chinese Shan States, Lan Na and Siam (Thailand), and Laos. Maybe you can help updating the map. Hybernator (talk) 06:22, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I drew a new map based on the borders found here.  S  WH  talk  14:21, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Toungoo dynasty’s alternative name
I have seen a lot of people use the term ‘Burmese Empire’ as a reference to the Toungoo Empire, I feel that it should be provided as an alternative name in the page. History of the Burmese (talk) 23:02, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Area
I have not found any source that specifically state the area of the Toungoo Empire at its peak, if anyone does, please do provide a link History of the Burmese (talk) 00:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)