Talk:Tour de France

Tour de France maps
I made some Tour de France SVG maps:

The base map is derived from File:France location map-Regions-2016.svg, therefore, the empty base map can be used in Location map. Small example on the left. Large example, which illustrates all 2021 Tour de France towns, are shown below:

--Tomchen1989 (talk) 20:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Biggest annual sports event
The source quoted for this is BBC “The Tour de France is the world's biggest annual sporting event. Nearly 200 cyclists race over 2,000 miles in just 23 days.” However, what makes it the biggest? Not the number of competitors - there were 737 teams competing in 2020-21 FA Cup. That’s about 10,000 to 20,000 competitors. The RAAM (Race across America) is longer. It is a big venue - a great chunk of France and a few other countries usually. What about F1 : umpteen countries and bigger financially. Champions League - biggest financially. Timmytimtimmy (talk) 22:53, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

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Technology
1. I'm interested in the technological restrictions on the bikes at various eras. I know that Desgrange banned gears and metal rims in the first Tours. When were gears first allowed? What other improvements were allowed, and when? As in Formula One racing, are there rules about how the bikes can be constructed? Is there a minimum weight limit for the bike?

2. What happens if a spectator causes a crash (as happened in 2022 I think)? Is the race stopped so that no penalty attaches to the crashed competitors? Or is it just bad luck? Is the spectator arrested? PhilUK (talk) 12:42, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

2012 onward
The section 2012 onward says Geraint Thomas became the first rider born in the british isles to win. Is this at all relevant? Both Wiggins and Froome are British. Both were registered as british riders with british cycling. Wiggins even lived in Britain continually since he was 2 years old. Why not just say the first welshman. Firestar47 (talk) 12:03, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree. It seems a silly distinction. HiLo48 (talk) 22:41, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

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Indurain
The section on the 1990s says "The early 1990s was dominated by Spaniard Miguel Induráin, who became such an exceptional time-trialist that it didn't even matter that many top-level riders were experimenting with EPO." This infers that Indurain himself was squeaky-clean and never used EPO. So far as I am concerned that is a dubious and unproven assumption. Firestar47 (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2023 (UTC)


 * A quick search finds nothing on Indurain and doping only a report where Thomas Davy says it happened at and he Davy got caught . Seeing as this article is from the year 2000 and nothing came of it. With all the grief that the stars of cycling of that error got you'd think there would be some report on it. Your speculations do not mean anything unless supported by evidence. He is innocent until proven guilty. Wikipedia deals in facts and he has not been found to have used EPO. Paulpat99 (talk) 23:27, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Innocent til proven guilty is a legal principle it does not apply to reality except in a legal sense. You say there is nothing out there discussing it but that is not the case... I encourage you to look at the following: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vayer-casts-doubt-over-performances-of-indurain-and-jalabert/ That is just one example. I am not speculating about his integrity I am simply pointing out that given the debate and circumstances it is wrongful to make assumptions. Firestar47 (talk) 00:27, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Regardless of whether it tacitly absolves him of doping or not, or whether innocent until proven guilty is a valid concept outside a court of law, it is entirely unencyclopaedic writing: informal in tone, unsustained by evidence, and based on opinionated commentary. Radical rewrite needed. Kevin McE (talk) 09:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair, I understand the issue now. I agree with the re-write. Paulpat99 (talk) 19:49, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Plagiarism
Huge parts of this entry have clearly been plagiarized. A quick Google search turned up this source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Tour_de_France_69/kgP0EAAAQBAJ 2601:643:8D00:69B0:E5E6:94ED:6B31:31A7 (talk) 00:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)