Talk:Tourettes Action

Unvoluntary
(cur) (last) 16:34, 22 July 2008 SandyGeorgia (Talk | contribs) (2,326 bytes) (ce, fix links, remove incorrect info (diff between ivoluntary unvoluntary and uncontrollable) I don't want to be a bother but I don't see any difference between involuntary and unvoluntary (except that unvoluntary seems to be treated by many dictionaries as incorrect). Dictionaries I found both words in treated them as synonyms and I saw the word involuntary in different publications concerning TS.   Dictionaries: Anyone can explain this to me? Furya (talk) 08:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The Free Dictionary
 * Wiktionary


 * See the article on tic; unvoluntary is standard terminology throughout the TS literature, explained at tic, which is linked in this article. Tics are not "uncontrollable" and are not strictly considered involuntary, rather a semi-voluntary response to an unwanted premonitory urge. It's unfortunate for its constituents that the Tourettes Action website describes the movements of individuals with Tourettes as "uncontrollable", as that perception isn't likely to further their stated goals of workplace acceptance.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Copvio
Almost the entire article was a copyvio from the Tourettes Action website; even if the organization is aware, we can't do that (see WP:COPYRIGHT). I've reworded, but the rest of the text may need to be checked for copyvio. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 14:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I reworded it as well a bit to reflect the organizations aims better (I hope you don't mind). The organization is aware of this entry, but of course I accept that it cannot stay like this. I apologise for my newbie mistakes. Furya (talk) 14:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem, many new users are unaware of Wiki's licensing restrictions. Sorry that I can't help on the image; I avoid image uploads because I find the entire business of image uploading and licensing intimidating and confusing.  You're on your own on that one, just follow the links at the image to see if they help you understand how to fix it :-)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 14:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Image licensing
The licensing on Image:Tourettes Action Logo.jpg needs to be corrected, or it will likely be deleted eventually. I can't help out there, as I don't deal with image licensing or image uploads. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 14:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I read the Logos article and it seems that there should be no problem with using Tourettes Action logo in an article about Tourettes Action. But I will keep digging. For the record: The organization knows about me using this logo on this page. Furya (talk) 14:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Same as copyright, them knowing about it isn't relevant, it has something to do with broader copyright release due to GFDL, and I can't explain it any better than that, since I try to avoid this area. It won't be a problem until/unless a bot notices it and tries to delete the image, so you have time to sort it out. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 14:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I know that the organization knowing about the logo isn't enough but I also found this information on Logos "It is not necessary to seek formal permission from the owner in advance of using their logo, so long as the usage is fair use, does not create any impression that the logo is associated with or endorses Wikipedia or the article it appears in, and does not create any reasonable grounds for complaint by the owner. The purpose of the specific guidelines above is to meet these conditions." Having said that, I was asked to remind everyone that TA logo cannot be freely used by just anyone. If you would like to use TA logo, you have to ask the organization for permission.Furya (talk) 14:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Then I believe it can't be here, because its use doesn't comply with our free licensing requirements. Other sites mirror and use Wiki articles.  I'll ask someone else to look in here, but the reasoning you just gave (I believe) is precisely the problem.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 08:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The logo is actually likely to be too simple (only text and a simple shape/asterisk) to be eligible for copyright protection (see, for example, the Microsoft logo). Per the U.S. Copyright office, "mere variations of typographic ornamentation, lettering, or coloring" (emphasis mine) are generally not eligible for copyright protection.  The image does not need to claim fair use and should, alternatively, be tagged with PD-textlogo and Trademarked. Although moot in this case, remember, for future edification, that WP:IUP sets forth "Images which are ... by permission ... are unsuitable for Wikipedia and will be deleted on sight" (emphasis original).  ЭLСОВВОLД  talk 12:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Pete Bennett windfall
Technically, the statement that the org received a windfall from Pete Bennett should be cited. I haven't added a tag to it, because I do remember reading about that once, but someone could come along in the future and request a citation for that fact, so it wouldn't hurt to begin looking for a reliably published source, perhaps a newspaper. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 14:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I added TA annual report (available to download from their site) as a reference. Does that work? Furya (talk) 15:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Can't tell, because the URL you gave is a deadlink. "Page Not Found: The page /storage/TSAUK%20Annual%20Report%202006-7.pdf could not be located on this website."  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It also appears that it might be login restricted. Do you have an accessible URL? "Website Login: Identify yourself with this website. All requests to log into this website are logged. Repeated failed login attempts will result in lock out."  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It is very strange that you cannot open it. It is a link to pdf downloadable version of Annual Report for TA and I can easily open it. Maybe it is better if I just point a link to the TA website where you can download it from? Can you go to this page and try to open the 2006/2007 report? Furya (talk) 15:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 08:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the mess in edits, my fault entirely
Furya (talk) 16:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, you're doing fine. The citation you put on "involuntary" isn't a quality source and should't be used to refute higher quality, peer-reviewed, journal literature, and wouldn't be a good source for a medical article, but I'm not going to sweat it.  "Involuntary" isn't an inaccurate word; it's just less than accurate, but not worth worrying about on this article.  Readers can get full info by clicking on tic.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 08:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)