Talk:Townships and county-administered cities

Hanyu Pinyin
Please someone update this to Hanyu Pinyin. I cannot, as I have a bias. Jidanni (talk) 02:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking of using http://placesearch.moi.gov.tw/translate/97admin.pdf to make the edits, but apparently they will probably just get reverted back so I shouldn't bother. Jidanni (talk) 19:56, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Deletion and Redirect
I restored an earlier version of this article from this version, but thought I should ask what the intent was for the redirect. It doesn't make sense to me, can someone explain? --Nuujinn (talk) 14:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I added all the Hanyu Pinyin from the official http://placesearch.moi.gov.tw/translate/97admin.pdf.
 * I also added the corresponding Chinese names.
 * I then proceeded to add the missing redirects, Su'ao -> Su-ao, etc., though they ought to be the other direction.
 * I finished a few of these redirects, and then I noticed I had in my w3m-emacs browser, accidentally redirected the whole page itself! Which I immediately undid.
 * Anyway, all you need to do now restore the Hanyu Pinyin version of this article I made, and then make redirects for the remaining redlinks.
 * I think I will step back at this point, and let you fellows complete the process. Thank you. Jidanni (talk) 14:50, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Please, feel free to go ahead, not a problem. --Nuujinn (talk) 17:04, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I added back all the Hanyu Pinyins, and also created all the missing redirects. Jidanni (talk) 05:00, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested Move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. No prejudice against a new RM that discusses whether "List of" should be added to the title. Jenks24 (talk) 07:12, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Township (Republic of China) → Township (Taiwan) - I propose to rename this article to fit into other articles about Taiwan. C. 22468   Talk to me  19:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - would even suggest it be "List of townships in Taiwan" as the article is more a list than an article.--Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎  05:50, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support No compelling reason to differ from the parent article. --BDD (talk) 16:14, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support - as BDD says, no compelling reason to differ from parent article. Readin (talk) 18:38, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Other than townships covering geographic areas, this is an article dealing solely with the government and administration of the Republic of China, and should use that name&mdash;those townships on Kinmen and Lienchiang Counties pre-existed the ROC regaining control of Taiwan And I agree with UnQuébécois that this is more of a list, and "List of townships of the Republic of China" is more suiting. GotR Talk 19:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Article is about geopolitical subdivisions. Hence, should be "Taiwan", per main article. No convincing reasons given for exemption here.  N-HH   talk / edits  20:45, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per the country article's name and WP:COMMONNAME. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Scope
As discussed in d:Wikidata:互助客棧, township is not really an existing concept in Taiwanese law. There are actually three types of subdivisions of county: urban townships, rural townships, and county-level municipalities. There is no obvious reason why the first two should be in the same article. I would suggest to either, merge this article with county-level municipality (and possibly also District (Taiwan), as they are placed at the same level), or split into urban township (Taiwan) and rural township (Taiwan). --Superzoulou (talk) 06:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Merger
Urban and rural townships are made up terms. In the Local Government Act, they are simply townships. They are legally the same. As for cities, as far as I can tell its only difference from township is the population requirement for ascension. They don't warrant separate articles. Ythlev (talk) 09:01, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Ythlev. For such huge changes, please discuss first in a talk page, and let everyone give their own opinion, suggestions on how to settle this. Then only from there we work it out for the better Wikipedia, okay? Because again, these changes involve sooo many related articles, not just 1 standalone independent article. Maybe from your point of view, these differences is not significant at all, but for others (especially those involved in geographic or political constituency works, this means a lot to them). Let's just have a team spirit, openness and respect to everyone who have created those articles before. :) Chongkian (talk) 09:06, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No one really cares except you. They've been merged for three months already. The above discussion saw no responses too. WP:MERGEINIT. Do you have a reason against or are you just trying to obstruct progress? Ythlev (talk) 09:13, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If you read my point, the discussion should be done before the merging process happened. If someone unilaterally merge some articles, of course it can go unnoticed for some certain period of time (in this case is the three months period as what you've mentioned). And may I know the discussion link that you've mentioned no responses to it? This is not about being against or obstruction progress. If you understand my point, this is about doing this appropriately in Wikipedia. urban township, rural township, county-administered city etc, each of them has their own Chinese (zh) Wikipedia page, Cantonese (zh-yue) page and even Wikidata page. So it is wrong to say those things are 'made up terms'. If you are talking about progress, the recent changes in Taiwan administrative division is the dissolution of Taiwan Provincial Government and Fujian Provincial Government. All of Wikipedia articles pertaining to those matters have been universally updated, and I didn't obstruct any progress there. When Taoyuan county was upgraded to Taoyuan municipality (or officially called 'Taoyuan City'), I didn't obstruct any progress for such change also. This 'trivial' (based on your perspective) difference on urban township or rural township or county-administered cities or provincial cities may work for you, but if you see from the historical perspective, there are many of the township government website do mention these 'small differences' in their historical section, e.g. how a particular rural township was upgraded to become urban township, or how an urban township be upgraded to a county-administered cities. Those are very important information in the historical section of each of these administrative divisions. Yes it is not as grand and important as Donald Trump article probably, that's why it's WikiProject importance level is also low, yet those are the very basic minimum information need for a particular town/area. We can't just write things from tourist-perspective only ("oh, all of them looks the same 'cities' for me"). And if you think I am the only one who really care about this, ok then, I will invite many more people into this discussion to get more input from them to see how this should evolve. Chongkian (talk) 12:39, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * And may I know the discussion link that you've mentioned no responses to it? Directly above this one... So it is wrong to say those things are 'made up terms'. The English terms are made up. Refer to the Local Government Act. This is not a tourist perspective... They are legally the same. Those are very important information in the historical section of each of these administrative divisions. Just because there are differences doesn't mean they can't be covered in the same article, especially if the distinction is historical. The goal is to let readers understand the administrative system as easily as possible. Take election data for local elections for example. Special municipalities and counties/cities have separate sets of official data, but the media does not report them separately because the distinction is not important enough to warrant separate coverage. That does not mean they are the same things. Ythlev (talk) 15:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)