Talk:Toxicity (album)

X
Fixed the composer. It only has 2 composers, not 3. Go to Google music for proof. Godlord2 16:42, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Melody
Their first album had plenty of melody, and if we have to have a comment on how Toxicity evolved their sound, it should be better than this. Theunknown42 15:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Sept. 11 2001 refrence seems odd and out of place! --buzlink 03:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

ATWA?
I have often seen this song title capitalised. Can anyone shed any light on this? Is it an acronym for something perhaps? Demonofthefall 12:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

It is indeed an acronym. "All The Way Alive" or "Air, Trees, Water, Animals" (or maybe switch A words) used by Charles Manson. Burly red sheep 17:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

He had a drawing called ATWA, and Daron Malakian is a big fan of Manson. http://www.charliemanson.com/collections/atwa-01.jpg --BuddyOfHolly (talk) 00:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Der Voghormya
I have NEVER heard of "Arto" called "Der Voghormya". Is this vandalism? WereWolf 03:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * From what I've heard, Arto is a cover of the song called Der Voghormya, which can explain why it is sometimes called Der Vergormya. 12.214.76.88 21:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Forest
The lyrics for the song Forest bear a great similarity to the book The Scarlet Letter, especially the chorus and the first verse, and most of the second verse.

Genre
I deleted this "The genre of the album would, for the most part, be considered nu-metal. However, elements of thrash metal are apparent, as well as the use of instruments such as piano. Many lyrics were also political, such as "Deer Dance", which was written about conflicts between protestors and police in Armenia." I think its an opinio but correct me if I am wrong.

Johnny
I don't think this is a song the regular albums, maybe on certain promos, should be placed on bottom of setlist.

Japanese edition and promo
Is there a point for having a track lising for the Japanese edition if it's the same as the standard? Johnny was a part of the Japanese track listing before, but now it's been removed. I have the same question for the promo, it's already on the discography page, so is there a point to having it here besides having the times? FallenWings47 08:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I put the promo on this page because it was related to Toxicity. I didn't add the times at first, but someone else added them. I will add the times to the discography page, and then post a link to the promo on this page, removing it from Toxicity page. 12.214.76.88 02:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I didn't add the link, but removed the section entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.88 (talk) 02:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm Japanese, I think so that photograph is NOT Japanese. It is using Chinese Traditional letters one. 61.8.84.46 (talk) 23:50, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey guys, unregistered user here, but i'd just like to suggest that every song have a page, because albums like Kid A have this format, and i believe Toxicity is just as influential. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.223.181.214 (talk) 03:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I am from Taiwan, and I don't think that photo is Japanese, either. I think it's in traditional Chinese. Keith Galveston (talk) 15:33, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Information on the 1998 version of the song "X"
http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1455350/20020621/system_of_a_down.jhtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.24.180.103 (talk) 01:48, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

iTunes
From what I can see, this album isn't available on iTunes (at least in Australia) despite other System of a Down albums being there. Is this significant enough to mention? Does anyone know the reason behind it? Thanks Dgen (talk) 01:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Politics
I'm quite surprised that there is no mention on how political the album is. I mean, it's mostly a big bash in the head with politics right and left. --BuddyOfHolly (talk) 21:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Idea
Why not have the album's sales in the presentation right after the chart info? Also, the article's Album Info-text is very clumsily written and, additionally, the album is very politically charged, which should be stressed, like BuddyOfHolly says above. Revan ltrl (talk) 18:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Hard Rock Removal
Having hard rock labelled on this album is kind of, uh, bullshit. It's an unnecessary, vague statement of what's already there (alternative metal, progressive metal). SOAD is not hard rock, they are metal. Completely unnecessary. Disagree if you like, but there's not really an argument against it. Revan ltrl (talk) 17:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Arto
'Arto' is a hidden track inside 'Aerials' and should not be listed individually, so i removed it. Damjan456 (talk) 14:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't agree; it's a bonus track, not inside Aerials but separate. These songs are listed 9/10 times and I think they should. Do you think it shouldn't be mentioned at all, as it is now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikivo (talk • contribs) 21:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Sources for nu-metal
http://www.allmusic.com/album/toxicity-mw0000620587

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/systemofadown-mesmerize/

There's pretty damning evidence that this album is nu metal. I call the big one bitey 17:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

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New header for controversy? Thoughts?
I recently found some articles discussing the many controversies System of a Down had to deal with. I thought we should add another header on this article revolving around these accusations. What are your thoughts? Should we add this or no?

Regards, jakanz (talk) 05:27, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Advertisement content in the second sentence
Hey, I'm Cleter and I would like to begin by stating that the second sentence of this article is written as follows:

Expanding on their 1998 eponymous debut album, Toxicity incorporates more melody, harmonies, and singing than the band's first album.

Now does this or does it not seem like advertisement material? Okay, I know it's important to understand that it is an expansion on their 1998 album, so I made this:

It expands on their 1998 eponymous debut album, Toxicity, the band's first album.

However, @SpaceHelmetX1 denies that my edit is an improvement. He does not elaborate in edit summary, so I call them to come forth before we start an edit war. Any input would be appreciated, thanks. 🅲🅻🅴🆃🅴🆁 (a word) 03:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I did my statements in the edit summary. I cannot see an explicit advertisement about the album for saying that it "incorporates more melodies, harmonies, and singing" than the band's self-titled debut. SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 07:47, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well I can. Readers only need to know that it is an expansion of their first album, why would they find the extra "information" even remotely necessary? I can tell that this extra information falls under trivia, which is not acceptable in certain situations on Wikipedia. Here's an example of trivia which is very closely related to our current situation:
 * ==== Stand-alone trivia[edit source] ====
 * Stand-alone trivia is trivia that is about only one subject (or at least, about only one encyclopedia topic). Example (from Bert and Ernie):
 * Bert's twin brother Bart, who resembles Bert in every physical way (including, as Ernie puts it, "the same pointy head, cucumbery nose and no-shoulders"), but has a diametrically opposite personality, constantly making weak jokes and imitating a comedy-routine trumpet ("Bart's the name, selling's the game, waah-waah-waah!").
 * This information is about the subject of Bert, and only extremely vaguely connected to any other subject. It somewhat involves other topics, but only very general ones: in this case, twins.
 * Stand-alone trivia usually make excellent candidates for integration into the articles they appear in. The above is a good example: there is no reason why Bert's brother could not be mentioned without detracting from the article. However, in some cases, the information is just too unimportant. For instance, a note like "Alan Smithee's favorite color is yellow" cannot be integrated into the text without distracting from it (in other words, it's trivia no matter how it is presented, and should therefore be removed). 🅲🅻🅴🆃🅴🆁 (a word) 14:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * This isnt trivia, just a description of the sound and is perfectly fine --FMSky (talk) 16:38, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, it's an excessive description of the sound, we can just refer to it as an expansion to avoid unnecessary content. You're gonna need a more valid argument than "perfectly fine" if you want to convey that the sentence doesn't contain promotional content. 🅲🅻🅴🆃🅴🆁 (a word) 16:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Its not excessive or advertisement, in fact its very brief and sums up the sound well --FMSky (talk) 16:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * So you believe if the sentence wouldn't include that it has more melodies, harmonies, and singing, then the sentence would not have enough information? In other words, just mentioning that it's an expansion is not enough? Just because it's brief doesn't mean it's acceptable for Wikipedia. 🅲🅻🅴🆃🅴🆁 (a word) 17:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * So you believe if the sentence wouldn't include that it has more melodies, harmonies, and singing, then the sentence would not have enough information? Yes --FMSky (talk) 17:08, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * "...is perfectly fine" "...sums up the sound well" "Yes"
 * Could you please be more clear and actually explain what you believe to be necessary to the sentence? I'm tired of hearing vague and unnecessary comments that do not contribute to reaching consensus. 🅲🅻🅴🆃🅴🆁 (a word) 17:16, 6 February 2024 (UTC)