Talk:Toy/Archives/2014

List of most popular toys throughout time
There are good sources out there and plenty of images, I think. Would this be a viable article? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:15, 7 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes. Hafspajen (talk) 02:22, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Now I'm thinking that a revamp of List of toys might be better. Please see Talk:List of toys. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:47, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Why no Dolls?
Hafspajen (talk) 02:32, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Not entirely sure what you're suggesting here, but much of what we discussed at Talk:Teddy bear seems to apply here too, ie many of the images are copyright violations, not identifiable for encyclopedic purposes or of low notability. If you're suggesting that entire gallery of images be added to this article, that would be undue weight since this article is an overview of all types of toys. Siawase (talk) 09:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Providing a big amount of good images to choose from, to add to 's  article. This article doesn't have any dolls either, with the exception of the  doll the little girl is holding in her arms. It is clearly biased. Also this was an answer to someone commenting abowe,, who asked a question. Many of the images abowe are might work nicely in her article. and don't forget that these articles, the poorly imaged teddy bear and toy are viewed often by children. Childrens LIKE IMAGES: About pictures, se below. Hafspajen (talk) 13:43, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

About images and galleries
Images in the gallery collectively do have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject. Galleries are not discuraged. Please see also this discussion here, Talk:Charles Marion Russell.
 * Per WP:IG:

''Images are typically interspersed individually throughout an article near the relevant text (see WP:MOSIMAGES). However, the use of a gallery section may be appropriate in some Wikipedia articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images. The images in the gallery collectively must have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject.''


 * Image use policy say: Sometimes a picture may benefit from a size other than the default; see the Manual of Style for guidance.


 * Manual of style: **As a general rule, images should not be set to a larger fixed size than the 220px default (users can adjust this in their preferences). 'If an exception to the general rule is warranted', forcing an image size to be either larger or smaller than the 220px default is done by placing a parameter in the image coding.


 * The exception from the general rule is most art and art related articles that they do fall into this cathegory, and they are this  exception to the general rule.


 * See here art and art related articles, and architecture articles. These articles do use images larger than thumb. Michelangelo, Ancient Greek architecture, Anglo-Saxon art, La maja desnuda,  Stained glass, Sandro Botticelli, Yixian glazed pottery luohans, Wells Cathedral, Romanticism, History painting, Romanesque architecture, Ambrosius Benson, Portrait of Francesco d'Este, Andrea Mantegna, Crucifix (Cimabue, Santa Croce), Danaë (Titian series), Cambrai Madonna, The Werl Triptych, Portrait of a Young Girl (Christus, Berlin),  Léal Souvenir, Braque Triptych, Death of the Virgin (van der Goes), Miraflores Altarpiece, Madonna of the Dry Tree


 * See here also featured articles - art and art related articles, and architecture articles do use images larger than thumb; as exception to the general rule : Early Netherlandish painting, Holy Thorn Reliquary, The Magdalen Reading, Royal Gold Cup, Madonna in the Church,  Stanford Memorial Church,  Portrait Diptych of Dürer's Parents,   The Entombment (Bouts),  Crucifixion and Last Judgement diptych, Las Meninas, Dresden Triptych, The Garden of Earthly Delights, The Magdalen Reading Funerary art

Also toy and other articles may benefit by images. Hafspajen (talk) 13:37, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm familiar with image policy, and I'm not blanket against galleries. But, as I have said repeatedly, the image galleries you put together here and at Talk:Teddy bear have specific issues, namely potential copyright issues, lack of information about the images, and WP:UNDUE issues. Notice how the art gallery examples you posted above deal with older subjects, where copyright isn't an issue. From looking at the galleries in some of them, each image also seems clearly identified, as to what location they're from, who created the work and when, and in some cases they also have encyclopedic context like how they are particularly notable or what movement or style they belong to. These older art articles are quite different from articles that deal with contemporary toys, or a mix or contemporary and older toys. For some older types of toys, it might be possible to create galleries similar to the ones you linked, but it hinges on finding free images where encyclopedic information about the subject is available. Here is one example: Peg wooden doll Siawase (talk) 12:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Nice. Hafspajen (talk) 18:27, 3 April 2014 (UTC)