Talk:Toyoaki Horiuchi

Dispute on neutrality
I suspect that part of the problem is the language used. As whoever placed that tag didn't leave a note (sorry I didn't check who it was), its not clear which parts they thought might be problematic (or whether that person simply doubts any reference to a miscarriage of justice in any war crimes trial).

I did find that some of the key lines really disturbed me, but actually seemed to follow a pattern which I have seen for some Japanese writers in English. Perhaps a first step is to clean up the language. (Dewobroto (talk) 02:14, 29 May 2014 (UTC))


 * Hi Dewobroto, I totally hear you. I'm in the process of writing the German article of Japanese marine paratroopers of World War II, including Toyoaki Horiuchi. Once I'm done with the article I will get back to this article and work over facts and the language used. I will let you know once this happens to give you a chance to read over what I will write. Cheers, --Chris.w.braun (talk) 23:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Following up on the comments from two years ago, sections of the article read as biased in favor of the subject. For example, whole the article acknowledges that that subject was tried as a war criminal, it fails to state that he was convicted and executed for his crimes. Similarly, the statement that “He treated the inhabitants of the island tenderly, and he was loved by the inhabitants.” is prima facie suspect, given the subject’s status as a military occupier executed for war crimes on that very island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:C300:4955:14EC:2E92:2F51:C567 (talk) 03:35, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi User:Chris.w.braun and anonymous. I accidentally noticed this thread again. Anonymous: the implication that he was convicted is clear. However, if you are familiar with the trials especially in 1946-7 in Indonesia, then expecting that all cases proceeded fairly is a little bit too much. That being said, you put your finger on one of the most cringe-worthy phrases. Dutch are sometimes likely to say similar things, but with slightly better wording. Indeed it looks like BS, and it probably is, but there WERE Japanese with good reputations. He could have been one. What is clear was that he was not there very long. At longest 10.5 months. That is another reason to be hesitant about accepting the idea that me was MEMORABLY good to the local people. I don't have a copy of Ueda's book, and would likely find it painful and prohibitively slow to read it. I would suggest a gradual process of cleaning up and toning down the language. I'll try to keep my eye out for more reliable info on Horiuchi. Unfortunately, even if I could visit the Dutch national archives, their files are far from complete....probably the Vonnis is all that is preserved. Dewobroto (talk) 17:52, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Systematic Terrorism
I strongly suspect that "systematic terrorism" is not the correct label for the charges. I couldn't find a list of the Dutch war crimes, but probably Piccigallo would have a list...if not, then, de Groot. It should be possible to guess. I wanted to preserve a note in case I cannot get back to this issue soon. Dewobroto (talk) 18:05, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

fate ?
Hello, this page seems to contain some "mistakes" : did he died in 1948 ? or later ? executed ? Hanafunda (talk) 01:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)