Talk:Toyota/Archive 1

Translation
The company slogan in Mexico, "Ve Mas Alla," was translated as "Seeing beyond" incorrectly. Ve is a form of the irregular verb "ir" (to go). Ve might also be a form of the verb "ver" (to see), but in the context of an automobile company, "Go Beyond" makes more sense. Additionally, "seeing beyond," without a specific object of reference, borders on nonsensical in Spanish. Rafajs77

Opening comments
I think the page title may be slightly confusing. Toyota refers to the Toyota industry group, inclusing Toyota Motor, Toyota Auto Body, Toyoda Automatic loom, etc... Maybe its better to create sub pages for all the individual companies and one main page for the industry conglomerate.

Chris_73


 * There are more such cases (especially in Japan: Mitsubishi, Kawasaki,...). But if one says Toyota the majority thinks of the carmaker.
 * anobo 15:21, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * There's more that could be said about the Landcruiser, an iconic vehicle in much of the developing world. Mark Richards 18:03, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * The Formula 1 constructor needs a page too. Rdsmith4 23:25, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

We need some info on the lucrative scalnels of '94 in which headquarters stole a lot of money, and participated in various false-advertising suits. Not to meantion the 6 cased of criminal neglegance causing death...

This page really needs to be rewritten from scratch. The first five paragraphs do a poor job of summing up the company and only talk about estimated success. I'm also a little concerned with the vague changes people are making against and for Toyota. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeremyburkhart (talk • contribs) 04:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Production facilities
Just a note, Toyota also has manufacturing facilities in Poland :)

Toyota is opening another plant in Ontario, Canada. They may be building some Scions there too.

=> note from a TME-employee(me):

Toyota in Europe:

TME ( Toyota Motor Europe ) used to be TMME ( Toyota Motor Marketing Europe ) and TMEM ( Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing ) but TMEM joined TMME to become TME in 2005.

The head-Office is located in Evere, near Zaventem and Brussels In Belgium.

TME has 8 manufacturing companies:

TMUK in Brunaston, UK

* engines

* Corolla, Avensis (called Deeside so counts as 2)

* Toyota Motor Manufacturing UK

TMMF in Vallenciennes, France

* Yaris

*Toyota Motor Manufacturing France

TMMT in Adapazzari, Turkey

* Corolla Verso, MPV, sedan & stationwagon

* Toyota Motor Manufacturing Turkey

TMMP in Walbrych, Poland

* engines and transmissions

* Toyota Motor Manufacturing Poland

TMIP in Laskovice, Poland

* diesel engines

* Toyota Motor Industries Poland

TPCA in Kolin, Czech Rep.

* Aygo ( in co-operation with Peugeot (107) and Citroen (C1) )

* Toyota Peugeot Citroën Automobiles

Salvador Caetano I.M.V.T. S.A. in Ovar, Portugal

* Dyna, Hiace, Optimo

hope this can help you a bit :-)

(Mistic 01:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC))

Moving Toyota
I just made a comment here but it was wiped by the page moves. I think it's a bad idea to make Toyota be a disambig page when most links there are expecting Toyota Motor Corporation. We just went through the reverse of this at Ford and are now working on Cadillac. Even though it's not technically correct, we should not move the Toyota motor vehicle page away from Toyota. Instead, we should create Toyota (disambiguation) and have it linked at the top of the TMC page. Please hold off on this activity until there is some discussion. Thoughts? --SFoskett 18:48, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the comment. I want to point to you that in Japan, the brand names (Toyota, Mitsubishi, Sumitomo, etc) are shared by independent companies, under the keiretsu model. There is no western equivalent to that. Toyota is a brand name associated primarily with cars, but not exclusive to 1 company. In america, carmakers do not share their brand name with their "group" companies, but in Japan, they do. I have been involved in Japanese banking, manufacturing, and other businesses editing on wikipedia, and am very familiar with the situation. Christopher Mahan 18:59, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * This is all true. However, we are writing an encyclopedia.  It is more important to be useful than 100% correct.  If 99% of the people who enter "Toyota" are expecting Toyota Motor Corporation, then that is where that link should go.  A brief look at the "what links here" certainly looks like this is the case.


 * Therefore, I request that Toyota be a redirect to Toyota Motor Corporation, and that Toyota (disambiguation) or maybe even Toyota Group be linked at the head of the article.


 * Further, before making huge moves like this, please consider bringing up the subject in the talk pages for a few weeks so people can have a say. --SFoskett 19:12, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)


 * Is there a talk page somewhere that discusses the policy for dealing with specifically this problem? Both methods have their ups and downs and there needs to be some reference we can discuss and fall back on.  I suspect this is going to become a larger problem in the future. --Milkmandan 15:02, 2004 Dec 21 (UTC)


 * This has been in the talk pages for close to two years! Sneakers55 19:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Your point being...? All discussions are kept for the purposes of archiving and backtracking. Every detail recorded is part of Wikipedia's history, and may be referred back to in the future. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 14:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * My point was we're getting caught in analysis paralysis! Sneakers55 22:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Toyota Truck
User:Gregkar is creating a whole bunch of articles relating to Toyota trucks, and I'm not sure what to do about it... they seem rather unnecessary, but I'm hesitant to list them on VfD right off the bat. Thoughts? Madame Sosostris 22:45, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm going to recommend that the page be merged immediately with the Toyota Hi-Lux page. Because the truck was known most commonly as the Hi-Lux in its native Japanese market, anything that's essentially a copy of the vehicle (e.g., Toyota Truck, Toyota Tacoma) needs to redirect there.  The Toyota Truck Service Data and Toyota Truck Maintenance pages are nothing more than stubs-with-headers, and should probably be axed immediately&mdash;the right place for these would be under Toyota Hi-Lux/service, although I'm having a hard time coming up with what would go in there in the first place.  The capitalization on those pages needs to be fixed, in any event.


 * That being said, however, this looks like a good start from a new user. I think the last thing we want to do is scare this guy away&mdash;it looks like he has a lot of good edits to offer! --Milkmandan 16:08, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I forgot to answer your question. I'd say no VfD for now, just because I'm dead-certain that this needs to be merged into the Hi-Lux page. --Milkmandan 16:11, 2005 Jan 18 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- I don't know much about Toyota, but I figured there was probably something that this needed to redirect to. Madame Sosostris 02:45, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, the Tacoma is a separately designed truck and is not a mere Hi-Lux spinoff.

Malaysian race?
Toyota look to have an very promsing 2005 season after starting on the front row in the 1st race and taking the teams 1st ever podium finish the next race in Malaysia.

An anonymous user posted the above under Formula one team. In order to return to its original position, two things need to happen. The grammar and spelling need to undergo serious corrections, and two more information is needed. What race is this person talking about? And this next race in Malaysia, what race is it? Also, is there any citation to confirm this? oo64eva (AJ) 01:50, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)


 * I think this person was writing about the first race of the 2005 Formula One season, the 2005 Australian Grand Prix. The second race of the 2005 Formula One season was the 2005 Malaysian Grand Prix. But I don't think anyone will miss that sentence. --Boivie 20:12, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Difference
Hi, in History it says that the first model was the A1 (built in 1935) and later in 1936 the production of model AA was started. but the caption of the image says "...the Toyota Model AA, the first production model of Toyota in 1933". Which is the correct date and model?--Jcw69 08:02, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * According to http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/about_toyota/history/1867.html, the AA production started in 1936. I changed the image caption. -- Chris 73 Talk 09:20, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

2nd biggest in world?
The Fortune Global 500 has DaimlerChrysler as a larger company than Toyota - GM, DaimlerChrysler, and Toyota Motor come in 5, 6, and 7 on their list. john k 22:15, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * As with all rankings, it depends on how you calculate. Remember that the highest mountain on planet earth is in the Andes, if you measure from the Earth's center. To measure car companies, you can base the ranking on number of cars sold (equal to world market share), market capitalization, number of employees, net profit, total value of brand names, ... or mix ten different measures. It doesn't really matter which one we use for Wikipedia, as long as we have a foot note what we base the ranking on. -- Mkill 22:45, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, what is the one in this article based on? I believe the Fortune lists are based on gross revenues.  But this includes revenues from things other than car sales (assuming these companies have other revenues). john k 23:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Toyota fell back into third place on sales. November 1, 2006

Instead of showing relevant and neutral information about the company and the products it produces, the Toyota article seems more like a showcase to see how successful some claim it to be.

huh?
"In 2004, US Goverment remove the Japanese Toyota to be American Toyota, American Toyota first showed that it had made its Toyota Highlander into the world's first mass-market seven-passenger hybrid SUV."

What does this mean? I've read it 3 or 4 times and still can't figure out where it's going.

Toyota in India
Toyota in India stub mainly contains info related to strike. Seems like an attempt to show Toyota in poor light. If the goal of this Sub-Stub was to detail Toyota's activities in India, historical and current then I could have understood. Or, if a separate stub titled "History of Strikes at Toyota Plants" had this information, it would have made sense.

Western-Centric Wikipedia
Wikipedia is becoming more and more Western-Centric with every passing day. Some people who edit and write have either very poor ethics and/or a hidden agenda to show the East in negative light. It almost looks like some christian club participating in an information war. For example in Lexus Articles ex: Lexus LS someone doesnt accept that Lexus Cars are one of the most Well Engineered, they are "merely" more reliable. Samstayton 01:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't mean to portait Lexus in a bad light! I test drove a Lexus LS before buying my TC and before I used to drive an Infiniti. The sentence: "Most well engineered" it simply gramatically wrong. Nobody (at least not me) is trying to portrait the "East" (Asia) in a negative way.  Signature brendel  19:45, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Cars That Brake When You Don't
Toyota has developed some silly steering wheel mounted digital camera that *indirectly* checkes that the driver is alert and "on the job." Why did they have to go this way, why not a tradtional railway style failsafe device, afterall, the (much simpler) technology for directly monitering driver vigilance has been around since the late 1960s, in the form of a button pushed periodicaly to ensure that the driver is alert, the timer can also be reset by major control function (traction/braking/warning). Did Toyota decide that such a system would impractical in a road vehicle. Why do there have to be so many inconsistancies between road and rail vehicle design choises, particularly on the grounds of safety, which should driver conveniance matter more on a road vehicle than a rail vehicle? It it (partly) becuase a much higher percentage of females drive domestic road vehicles than drive rail vehicles and on average conveniance/user friendliness matters more to them? Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian)(talk)
 * Not everybody knows how to operate a train. Most people who buy a car have had some kind of lessons... 89.100.139.240 00:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Probably a tangent, and I shouldn't be editing on WP at this late hour, but...
Just wondering...does anyone think the Toy Yoda lawsuit is worth mentioning? That would be the one where the Hooters waitress got a toy Yoda instead of a Toyota, sued, and then got a Toyota as part of the settlement. Just an example of how the original family name could be confused with a little green guy from Star Wars. --Coolcaesar 07:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

dear sirs/i want to know the deallers in used toyota forklift in japan i want to know the address ,tel,fax
 * Sorry, this is an encyclopedia, not a phone book. We don't know where you can get used forklifts. Try your local Yellow Pages or similar thing in your country. -- Chris 73 | Talk 08:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The Toy Yoda lawsuit is as irrelevant to this article as the lawsuit was itself.

/atoyot in EverQuest, Asheron's Call, or both?
The article states that using the /atoyot command in EverQuest will make your character do a special action. While I've admittedly never played EverQuest, I know that Asheron's Call does/did exactly that. Does EverQuest do this as well, or is it a mistake in the article? eXonyte 04:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

What does that have to do with Toyota?


 * Sorry* didn't notice the "Popular Culture" section at the bottom.

Rally?
Since when have Celica and Corolla been successful in WRC? CJ DUB 19:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Toyota was the Japanese manufacturer to watch in the 1980s and 1990s, and the Corolla WRC was campaigned into the 2000s. The Toyota Celica All-Trac (GT4) was intended as a homologation model.  Toyota took home WRC championships in 1993 and 1994.  &mdash; AKADriver  &#x260E;  19:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Long time ago...Peugeot, Subaru and Ford have dominated since. I made a change to the mothership page. CJ DUB 21:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Japanese not genearlly better
Toyota might be the most sucessfull massmarket producer, but the smaller Japanese car makers got massive problems. At least the german and french producers are doing much better. And even Ford and Chrysler are doing better then the some Japanese producer.


 * For example, Scions are junk right now. That's a toyota brand. CJ DUB 20:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Funny, most Americans seem to be voting with their money right now for Toyotas and Hondas. Perhaps it has something to do with the superior styling and quality.  The funniest thing is that both of them now build a lot of their cars in the United States with American workers and a large number of American parts and they simply don't have the huge quality issues that the Big Three have.  So the difference is really just a matter of corporate culture---that is, a corporate culture that truly cares about quality versus giving lip service to it.  Plus there's the fact that the state of Michigan has a pathetic educational system.--Coolcaesar 00:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Wrong... well sort of. First, Toyota cars aren't exactly manufactured in the US; they are simply assembled with parts made mostly in China.  Second, all of the jobs Toyota claims to have provided the US are in lower wage states where a Toyota Factory job would not be desirable.  This is more of a marketing ploy to make Americans believe that Toyota is some domestic brand name with their country's interest in mind; Toyota has shown us just how careful they would like to be about who they allow to profit from their cars.  Third, Michigan education ranks 9th in the US for funding and first in science, especially in the western areas where they are known for their ability in national youth science tournaments.
 * Actually to meet NAFTA requirements, the Toyota Camry is assembled with more than 80% North American content. Both engine variants sold in the Camry are machined and assembled at the Georgetown plant from components cast or forged in the United States.  (Many Big3 engines are produced in Ontario, Canada.)  Numorous supplier facilities have been built in central Kentucky and southern Indiana to support the Toyota plants in Georgetown, KY and Princeton, IN.  And I know that at least in KY, a Toyota factory job is VERY desirable because benefits and wages are better than most surrounding industries and with cost of living adjustments, the wages are competive with wages in a southern Michigan UAW auto plant.Wikinett 20:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

But then again, Toyota has been building cars in North America for more than twenty years. NUMMI, Cambridge and Aichi Corollas are comprable in quality. Americans are more than capable of building world-class automobiles-- They've been doing do for Honda and Toyota for years.


 * CJ you seem to be misinformed and highly personal POV. And smaller branches of Toyota are even unheard and unimportant. Ford is doing bad, but (mind you, its "Daimler" Chrysler) is doing well, despite Asian auto companies. And the influence of European car makers are weaker than Asian autos. Most of them only ship within themselves, while Toyota and like ship overseas. Oyo321 23:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Toyoda??
In the Origins section there is something about Toyoda Automatic Loom. Is Toyoda a spelling mistake/typo or is it correct?
 * is correct. toyoda ts the family name, was changed for the company for easier international pronounciation -- Chris 73 | Talk 14:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Chris is right. I've seen that same story in many different magazine articles about the company.  They changed it because the soft D is hard to pronounce and the harder T sounds nicer anyway.--Coolcaesar 15:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Anyone who knows Japanese knows Toyota and Toyoda are interchangeable. In Japanese, it is completely indistingushable when written in kanji, and both are often interchanged and used...

When Mr.(?) Toyoda first started his company (Looms) he changed the spelling, not because it sounds nicer, but because it is easier/quicker to spell (let the sounds roll off your toungue, you'll notice the difference). My reference is University of Toyota Foundations Testing.

I cannot cite any reference of hand, but another reason for the change was that the katakan for ToyoTa has eight strokes vs ten strokes for ToyoDa. Eight is a lucky number in Japanese culture.Wikinett 20:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite
This entry needs to be reviewed. The article is poorly written, with an obvious bias against TMC. I am new to Wikipedia editing, but a quick skim of the paragraphs will show a distate towards the automaker. (by User:161.253.53.126)
 * Could you point out which sections? Some of them are quite in favour of Toyota. I occasionally revert some anonymous Anti-Toyota POV on this article -- Chris 73 | Talk 06:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

NPOV and Vandalism
Read the Toyota article carefully. Now compare this to the Honda and General Motors article. It seems to be that somebody has been updating the GM page with pro-gm things and editing the Toyota page to have negative POV.

Most of the other automotive related articles are just fine. However, I'm concerned because someone on the GM talk page did a backtrace and said that an ip trace led to the conclusion that GM was editing the articles.

In any case, the article stinks of anti-Toyota bias. For example, the Toyota page lists the recent recall problems but GM and other automakers have had recall problems too. For comparison, the GM page has had its GM financial crisis section deleted and the Ford page has no mention of the Firestone rollover problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.190.140 (talk • contribs)


 * Here I removed a claim, as it is stuffed on the end of an irrelevant paragraph, and duplicated content from further down in the article. Also, reading the sources that are provided, the article makes no mention of Toyota being the most recalled car, rather they have just had a recall in July. Furthermore, the article doesn't take in to consideration the number of recalls as a percentage of total vehicle sales, but rather, as a straight number, which is an inherent bias. --Porqin 12:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)