Talk:Toyota Highlander

Name
This article should be oriented towards the majority of readers. The majority of readers are english speakers from North America. Second largest group of readers are from UK. The product name understood is Highlander not Kluger.

I recommend changing the article focus to Highlander rather than the relatively unknown kluger or creating two different articles, one for Australians and one for the rest of the world. Daniel.Cardenas 15:34, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with the name change. However, I do not want two different pages.  Make Toyota Kluger a redirect to Toyota Highlander. --michael180 23:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed, this page should be Toyota Highlander again, until someone moved it without discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.65.224.246 (talk) 00:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Aye. I intend to file for a move once the naming convention is finished. I'm sorry, but Kluger is an absurd name for a car. lol--Flash176 (soon to be rechristened as Ridge Runner) (talk) 10:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I moved back to Highlander the way it was before someone switched it over to Kluger. Cassamanono (talk) 08:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

✅ Logan Talk Contributions 15:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Proposed edit
I have some information regarding Toyota SUVs and trucks built in Japan and maybe other parts of Asia (possibly Europe as well but at this time I do not think so). I posted it as an update on the Toyota Land Cruiser article as well as the Highlander article (and other Toyota articles as well). I probably rushed to fast and I received feedback from some users regarding this. I probably should have looked for solid references (as was advised in the feedback). I do believe that at least some of the main points in my edit are fact and I do admit that some of it contains future speculation as well.

I invite all interested users to debate my proposed edit on these discussion pages to determine what parts of my edit (if any) should be posted on the official article. The information that is in my proposed post are things that potential customers of these products deserve to know.

Here is a draft of my proposed edit (that was posted on the Land Cruiser article as well as some other articles relating to Toyota SUVs and Trucks and then removed pending online debate):

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Toyota SUV’s and trucks (built in Japan and maybe other parts of Asia as well) including the Land Cruiser and 4Runner as well as others are used by Osama Bin Laden’s illegal Al Qaeda terrorist army and their Taliban partners. In the United States this is becoming controversial because Americans who buy these vehicles can be seen as extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy. As a result, these products might get vandalized in many different ways including spray paint, scratching, damaging lights, windows, etc. This will probably cause insurance premiums to increase in significant ways making these vehicles much more expensive to own and drive. Passions will most likely increase later in 2006 as the 5th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks approaches. There are also 2 movies about 9/11 that are planned for release in theaters in 2006. After this time the possibility of these vehicles being vandalized might increase (especially ones built after the 2006 model year) as their American owners might be viewed as being extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy of America and showing absolutely no respect for America. If this results in big insurance rate increases, the owners of these vehicles will be spending a lot more money to own and drive them.

(End of proposed draft edit)

As mentioned in this article I have information regarding these vehicles being used by Al-Qaeda and the Taliban on the battlefield in the same way that the Jeep was used by America and its allies against Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire in World War 2. I have watched several news reports on news networks such as CNN, BBC, CBS, NBC, as well as others regarding Al-Qaeda and I have spotted these vehicles on these news reports many times (especially as the war on terror was first starting) including the Toyota Land Cruiser. Land Cruisers are easy to recognize. And I also saw what appear to be Toyota markings on many of these vehicles. I believe that this is something that people (especially potential customers for these vehicles) should know. I invite all interested users to join this debate and share any information you all might have.
 * It is irrelevent to the article and you need to have valid references. Saying you saw it on TV does not meet the wikipedia verifiable resource criteria. Daniel.Cardenas 01:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Sentence not clear?
The sentence "Base models are equipped with a limited slip differential with stability control, providing slip control for more expensive derivatives" in the article is counterintuitive to me or I don't understand it. It seems to state base models have this feature but then goes on to say that this feature provides a benefit for more expensive derivatives, which I assume to mean non-base Highlanders.

Does anyone know what it means? If not, should it be removed?

Also, does anyone know if it is technically correct? Does stability control have anything to do with the center differential?

--Landdriver 03:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Finally figured out what this sentence means -- moved comma in sentence in article to clarify (now reads "Base models are equipped with a limited slip differential, with stability control providing slip control for more expensive derivatives").

65.54.155.58 02:01, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Name origin?
Where does the name (Kluger) come from?--Cancun771 (talk) 10:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Several years ago, Toyota had the idea to "exploit" the German language for names of their cars. So they invented e. g. the "Vitz" (from "Witz" = joke), the "Platz" (space), the "Raum" (room, space), the "Ist" (= is) and the "Kluger" (correctly: "klüger" = more clever). --109.84.99.36 (talk) 19:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

1st Gen 5 vs 7 seating
I took the liberty to add the included MY for the 5 vs 7 seating to clarify the opening paragraph. As it was, it implied that 7 passenger seating was available on all 2001 thru 2007, it was not.Ken (talk) 03:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Model year vs calendar year
and I have a disagreement about whether to use model years or calendar years. Monseneeur changed the calendar year section titles to "Model year changes" with an edit summaries that say "nobody else" calls them by calendar years. I assume that he is American because he is insisting on using model years.

Unfortunately, model years is a very American thing that the rest of the world does not understand. For the majority of the world, a 2004 vehicle means a vehicle that was released in calendar year 2004. This includes Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia/New Zealand. Whereas an American thinks the same phrase means a vehicle that was released in 2003. Because of the ambiguity, the automobile project for Wikipedia has settled on using calendar years in section titles and using phrasing such "in 2003, for the 2004 model year, ..." in text. We do allow articles about vehicles produced only in America and only for the America market to use model years, mostly because only Americans read those article. But vehicles sold in international markets (the Highlander is sold in Japan and Australia as the Kluger) must be phrased for international readers.  Stepho  talk 23:34, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * WP:MODELYEARS solves the problem you are having Stepho-wrs. The example given of the Camry is analogous to this Highlander case—that is, calendar years trump model years in this application. OSX (talk • contributions) 13:17, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks.  Stepho  talk 22:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * WP:MODELYEARS is a guideline as such it cannot act as trump card. Is Wikipedia a totalitarian bureaucracy where a handful of regulars on a project establish laws regulating the edits of thousands more individual editor's contributions. Mobliocosta (talk) 21:04, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mobliocosta (talk) 21:04, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * And on the flip side, you seem to be telling us that the wishes of a single editor wanting to use a local idiom can override the agreement reached by many editors from an international pool in an open forum. The guideline status allows for exceptions when warranted with a good reason - not just because a local wants it his way. But please, if you disagree with the consensus that the project has agreed on then it is your right to push for change. Just ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles.  Stepho  talk 23:10, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * It's not a single editor, you have reverted 100s of different "local" editors on numerous pages. 01:19, 23 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Correct. "Local" is the keyword. How does multiple people trying to force their local idiom onto an international audience make it better?  Stepho  talk 02:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

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Reference date format
I have reverted a change by Davey2010@undefined where he changed yyyy-mm-dd style dates in the references to MDY. We have had this argument quite a few times before on many articles without reaching a resolution. Now there is a an RFC (started by me but at his request) on this at Talk:Tesla Model S. Since this is a contentious issue that will likely affect many articles and is currently under an RFC, it is wiser to wait until that RFC has reached a conclusion before making the same change to other articles.  Stepho  talk 13:25, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Toyota Highlander (XU70) facelift
The Toyota Highlander (XU70) facelift will be launched on 2023. Derwydd74 (talk) 10:38, 24 December 2022 (UTC)