Talk:Tradition

Old talk
Christmas trees are only a hundred years old? That wasn't my impression. -- April

Moved this from the article:
 * Mention traditionalism in Roman Catholic church here.

It's a good suggestion. The Eastern Orthodox Church distinguishes between Holy Tradition and mere traditions; this may or may not be the place to explore that. I expect that the Roman Catholic Church does as well. Wesley 15:07, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Traditionalism doctrine
I have added a couple of sentences about the Roman Catholic Church's Traditionalism doctrine, as I understand it. PatrickDunfordNZ 10:16, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

vandalism: birthday tradition ?
vandalism: birthday tradition to shove a broom ... ?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.144.172.144 (talk) 04:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC).

What is Custom
A hobitual practice or dealing in thing to made

ambiguous?
Would this page be able to change to a disambiguation page? I added the bit up top about seeing other uses of the word 'tradition'. Is there any way to change it so that it is easier for users who are searching for other uses to directly end up on the disambiguation page?

Kerfl772 (talk) 15:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

BY:

Justine I. Laserna —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.201.2 (talk) 13:40, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

je t'aime ciomme une  fleur  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.248.167.254 (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Invalid citation
This is original research, no citation was given to prove this statement.

For such acts or practices, once performed, disappear unless they have been transformed into some manner of communicable information.

This citation format is unacceptable. You either provide direct link or if online resources don't have it, you specify the author e.g.


 * Books (ISBN #) author, date of publication, books revision version, publish by what company...etc.

--Ramu50 (talk) 19:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If it is legal document, Article #, Paragraph/Section, provider of the article (by what association, consortium, organizaiton (profit or non-profit)...etc authro of article

Rejection of tradition
I think this section need work. It's too focused on an interpretation of one particular philosopher's views and it is poorly written. Matt2h (talk) 20:38, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

What's this "Traditions and stylings of the mannerism"?
Someone recently tried to remove the section titled ("Traditions and stylings of the mannerism") (here). I've restored the section, because the removal was without explanation. But I have to admit, I have some doubts on whether the section belongs at all. So I'm starting this discussion topic to get some opinions on it; maybe we can find a consensus on what to do about it. My main concern is that much of it is OR-ey, little of it is sourced, and none of it gives me any idea what the title "Traditions and stylings of the mannerism" is getting at. -- Why Not A Duck 20:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

kk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.70.4.80 (talk) 10:33, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Morphology & Origins
upon reading this wiki a few months ago, I noticed a lack of information on the web concerning the morphology of the accusative form of traditio. I have tried my best to provide an accurate breakdown of the word traditionem, but must admit, other than a keen interest in linguistics, I have no formal background. Furthermore, as I have already stated, there is NO INFORMATION ONLINE concerning the suffix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.85.222 (talk) 23:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Sources for upcoming collaboration by Ambassadors

 * Defining Tradition:
 * http://www.sonoma.edu/users/s/shawth/Hawaiian%20Identity.pdf
 * http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=4E2B8AFA59302E206677104CFF8B4987.inst3_1a?docId=77524191
 * http://www.jstor.org/stable/541585
 * http://www.jstor.org/stable/469141
 * http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1989.91.4.02a00050/abstract
 * 1987 literature review on the concept


 * Tradition by Edward Shils
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=L-zr1Ovc5ggC&dq=invented+tradition&printsec=frontcover&source=in&hl=en&ei=O9tJTdmfKorQsAOm4vnZCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=13&sqi=2&ved=0CG8Q6AEwDA#v=onepage&q=invented%20tradition&f=false
 * meaning of "tradition" "hidden in obscurity" p. 2 progress opposed to tradition p, 2-3  "tradition of change" vs. "tradition of traditionality" p. 4  "ignorance and traditionality connected" p. 5 "Social scientists ... treat tradition as a residual category ... to be brushed away." p. 8 tradition seen as "a survival unfitting to the style of ... a modern society." p. 10


 * Invented tradition:
 * https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/citd/holtorf/6.3.html
 * http://www.history.utoronto.ca/material_culture/rmclean/html/trad.htm (not really a reliable source, but hints where to look)
 * Vlastos, Stephen. (1998) Mirror of Modernity: Invented Traditions of Modern Japan. University of California Press. Not in my local library, but on-line thru NetLibrary.
 * Elliott, Jock. (2001) Inventing Christmas: How our holiday came to be. Harry N. Abrams, Inc. I checked this out of my local library today.
 * Hobsbawm, Eric and Terence Ranger. (1983) The Invention of Tradition. Cambridge University Press.	ISBN 0-521-43773-3 Not in my local library, should be in college/university lbraries
 * http://www.law.duke.edu/boylesite/hobbes.htm
 * http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=myLOFYZ4dQ0C&oi=fnd&pg=PA450&dq=invention+of+tradition&ots=Lv3yi-GtKR&sig=vQ53ldhi-s0gfY7Dh8fxzulJLGY#v=onepage&q=invention%20of%20tradition&f=false
 * http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct/sep_oct08/features1
 * http://yalepress.yale.edu/book.asp?isbn=9780300136869
 * "The Politics of Discursive Authority in Research on the "Invention of Tradition"" - http://www.jstor.org/stable/656664 Examines the "conflicts between scholars who study the "invention of tradition" and individuals, such as many indigenous scholars, who see themselves as being represented by such works."

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B7MRM-4MT09VJ-3NX&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F18%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c6958bfad1a750588d0e32212f4788c3&searchtype=a
 * In anthropology


 * In History
 * http://www.jstor.org/stable/4146423


 * In sociology
 * http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B7MRM-4MT09VJ-4PM&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F18%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=5816b3595886fe5e13bb22674e09c555&searchtype=a


 * Tradition and modernity
 * http://www.jstor.org/pss/2775860
 * http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=4410696


 * Local tradition
 * http://www.jstor.org/pss/2657514


 * National traditions
 * Anderson, Benedict. Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism. Revised Edition ed. London and New York: Verso, 1991. see
 * Tradition in non-humans
 * Book: The Biology of Traditions
 * Marmosets


 * In law
 * http://elsinore.cis.yale.edu/lawweb/jbalkin/articles/tradit1.pdf


 * In science
 * http://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=4fz-HWgO78QC&oi=fnd&pg=PA127&dq=%22Using+tradition%22&ots=24qdtjRRd8&sig=jBrATCI7Z61moOGBVTVTiwBx4EQ#v=onepage&q=%22Using%20tradition%22&f=false


 * In music
 * http://www.jstor.org/stable/767809


 * Some thoughts on organization

The three current section headings are:
 * Traditions and stylings of the mannerism - not sure what this is supposed to be, Mannerism being a fine arts style, while 'mannerism' as a type of behavior isn't "traditional"
 * Traditionalism - in the Roman Catholic church and "Radical Traditionalism"
 * Archaeology - related to Archaeological culture

So, we probably need sections on:
 * origins (broader than just "invented" traditions)
 * in areas of study (philosophy, social sciences, natural sciences, art, literature, etc.)
 * archaeology (linked to Archaeological culture)
 * religion - and we will want solid sources for this
 * crafts and trades
 * costume
 * "folk" ways
 * preservation efforts ("national treasures" in Japan, for example)

Just some suggestions, but if the sections are in place early on it will be easier for collaborators to work simultaneously on the article. -- Donald Albury 13:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Good job! I added a GBooks link to the The Invention of tradition. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK
I've nominated the article to T:TDYK at Template_talk:Did_you_know. I tried to include all ambassadors who made substantial edits; if I missed anybody (which is quite possible), my apologies - and please add yourself to the authors. The template seems to support only three authors? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:55, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

B-class
I wonder if our recent edits have not improved the article to B-class? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There are a few more things that I am looking for sources to back up --Guerillero &#124; My Talk   21:34, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It might also be good to use a consistent ref style; I think the Harvard style would be good here because some books are cited multiple times. However, the article currently uses both Harvard-style cites and repeating cite book templates with differing page numbers. / ƒETCH COMMS  /  21:55, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that ref standarization would be goodl. As I discussed with Guerillo on his talk page, I think Harvard style is good, provided we keep direct page links to Google Books, and keep the cite templates in "works cited" or a similar section. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:48, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * A simplified citation format would be ideal, methinks. Also, think the cite templates should remain in a works cited, Sadads (talk) 22:51, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Form the looks of it everything checks out for B class. I am going to move it up. revert me if you have a problem.--Guerillero &#124; My Talk   06:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Criteria Review
To be official here is an informal review ✅ While not at GA everything that could be reasonably challenged has a citation ✅ We did this well ✅ Lead -> Definition -> Creation of traditions -> In discourse -> preservation ✅ has been copyedited several times ✅ Images are present ✅ There is background when there needs to be.
 * 1) The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations where necessary
 * 1) The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies.
 * 1) The article has a defined structure.
 * 1) The article is reasonably well-written
 * 1) The article contains supporting materials where appropriate
 * 1) The article presents its content in an appropriately understandable way

cheers --Guerillero &#124; My Talk   06:35, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Job well done, people :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 06:58, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

we tend to assume that the ability to learn is determinted by such things as haw clever you are — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.137.23.97 (talk) 17:05, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

difinition of pollution — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.102.214.75 (talk) 13:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

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Dangerous conjecture
Whether they are documented fact or not does not decrease their value as cultural history and literature.

I'm imagining Jesus showing up, rather late in the day, according to the traditional lore of the Second Coming, and then patiently explaining that his resurrection never really happening way back when, it was always just a story, but a story mankind needed to believe at that time.

Apparently we already know that this would not "decrease the value" of the Biblical account of Jesus life as presently understood (in many different ways), though it would surely be a seismic body blow in 7000 other dimensions. &mdash; MaxEnt 01:28, 11 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I've taged the sentence with citation needed, b/c, doh, it needs to be attributed at minimum, as it is a statement of opinion. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Tradition and ceremony
Tradition and ceremony 192.145.168.43 (talk) 16:22, 22 December 2022 (UTC)