Talk:Traditional Chinese marriage

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Needs more information in general, but also more specific information
This whole article needs more information. More than that though, it needs information about the different marriage traditions of the various culture and people within China--there are a lot of very different marriage/wedding traditions, because there are so many different people that make up China--a lot of different native cultures. It's not all just one blob.

Unfortunately, while I know some of these things, I know them from firsthand participation in friends' weddings. I don't have a textbook for them, but I'm wondering if anyone else does?

Current Laws, Communist Revolution
What are the current laws about marriage in China? How, if at all, were current laws of marriage affected by the communist revolution? Shouldn't an article on Chinese marriage deal with these issues?

Yes, it should. Current laws of marriage forbid arranged marriages and polygamy, based on the Marriage Law of 1950.

Does Confucian Material Belong Here?
Confucian influence should be transferred to the part of Confucian view of marriage.--Jerry Crimson Mann 15:01, 20 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Well that would raise the problem of why two such articles exist unless this one recasts China is a wider sense to include minorities.

Introduction in Correct Place?

 * Why has someone moved the introduction to after the table of contents? Isn't there a standard Wiki way if doing this? Lao Wai 2 July 2005 10:50 (UTC)

Um, what?
What is meant exactly by "Chinese scholars of a Marxist persuasion"??? Does that mean that Chinese scholars of a, say, fascist persuasion believe that patriarchy was the norm back then? -- Миборовский U 23:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, yes. Marxists are forced into a pattern laid out by Engels.  So they have to claim that matriarchy was the norm way back then.  And there is some minor evidence for it in China.  But pretty much everyone else thinks patriarchy is and always has been the norm. Lao Wai 10:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Monogamy being the norm?
For kings, polygamy is definitely the norm, starting with the Yellow Emperor (4 wives) if legend counts.

Note that in any society the total number of polygamy (specifically, polygyny) is limited by 2 external factors: the number of available females, and the man's financial resources. So, barring a massive die-off of males, or importing women from elsewhere, one can expect polygamy to be limited to a small number of elite males, if it exists at all. The average rate of polygamy, on the other hand, would always be low in a traditional & closed society.

Compared at the same relative social-economic level, polygamy does not seem to be much less frequent in China than other traditional societies.

I plan to add a section on polygamy... --Tsiaojian lee 02:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Modern application / practice nowadays?
Must be something about current culture practices in a chinese context.. 203.173.175.106 (talk) 10:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

鬧洞房
This article is lacking a section on 鬧洞房, of which I don't even know what the English name is (bridal chamber??). This is a very prevalent practice and definitely warrants coverage. Bsoo (talk) 15:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge from Marriage in Ancient China
Based on the namespaces, I could understand arguing for separate treatments.

However, as it stands, this article is really about traditional Chinese marriage (there's already a separate one for current marriage practices in the PRC) and the supposed marriage in ancient China article is a poor stub that should have its history and information on concubinage merged here and be turned into a redirect.

We could split the other article off again if a history section here were ever long enough to warrant it. — LlywelynII  15:42, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Marriage and wedding are non-interchangable terms
The opening sections of this article talk about the "weddings." Marriage and the wedding are not the same thing. The wedding is the public ceremony. The marriage is the life lived together as a family after the wedding. One could probably make a separate article for the wedding and make this about the social institution of marriage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.83.183 (talk) 02:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

This article should contain statistics on marriage in China. How many divorces. How many weddings per capita. Fidelity and infidelity. Cultural dynamics of marriage, etc. etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.83.183 (talk) 02:22, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Whaaaat??
First off, too many things are not explained. Like the bowing to heaven, and earth, ancestors, etc. EXPLAIN THINGS! If there's nothing understandable, it might as well be gibberish text! Second off... "A European painting of an Emperor of China inspecting his fantasy fishing fleet with his concubines" < WTF? No. That's a bizarre boat of civillain/peasant people gawking... That guy may or may not be intended to be an emperor, I don't know... There's no concubines. He, and that European-looking woman who is being waited upon by two boy servants (thus is more likely one of his wives, not a concubine) are looking at what appears to be a bird, or something in the water... Then, there's two people shown inside a building nearby that seem to have nothing to do with anything. That description of the painting as an emperor with his concubines is ludicrous. One man with one woman who is more waited upon than he is is an emperor and his concubines? A boat of gawking peasants is his fantasy fleet? Lay off the drugs. I don't think these errors come from someone maybe not knowing English as first language. Whomever did this page is below a 100 I.Q., and possibly literally was on drugs. This page's errors are outright offensive, as if expecting the thousands looking at the page in a day to be retarded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.240.244 (talk) 03:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Antithetic marriage in the Maternal marriage and monogamy section
I couldn't find a definition for Antithetic Marriage, so I went searching and found this: From http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yiirhT2DGVQJ:china.citw2008.com/html/2006/1027/572.shtml+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

"Over time Chinese people became more geographically mobile. Couples were married in what is called an extra-clan marriage, or better known as antithetic marriage. This occurred in the midst of the New Stone Age, i.e. around 5000 BC. According to modern Chinese scholars of a Marxist persuasion Matriarchy prevailed in society at that time, therefore husbands needed to move to, and live with, their wives’ families. Yet individuals remained members of their biological families. When a couple died, the husband and the wife were buried separately in the respective clan’s graveyard. Offspring would be buried with their mother. Antithetic marriage still happens in modern China."

I wonder if this cached article was the source of the sentence Миборовский mentioned? Hope this helps! Darci (talk) 02:31, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Etymology ... what?
In more ancient writings for the word 婚姻, the former has the 昏 beside the radical 女 (pinyin: nǚ, literally "a female"). This implies that the wedding ceremony is performed in the evening, which is deemed as a time of fortune.

I would remind you that this is English Wiki, so the only language knowledge expected is English. Do I understand what you try to say here? I have no clue! I don’t know what 婚姻 means, I don’t know what 昏 means, you only explain 女 (which is not in 婚姻 in the first place, or is it?), and I am supposed to understand anything? Which part of your etymology says anything about evening and where is the fortune? Or is evening generally considered fortunate? How would I know?

Ceplm (talk) 09:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

User Ceplm I am chinese so if you have any problems, I'll tell you the definition of these words. 婚姻 just means a wedding or marriage. The definition for 女 in the encyclopedia I'm not really sure if it is correct or not but the most common way is using 女 is a female.


 * Thank you very much, but don't tell it to me here. Fix the text of the article itself, please. And what has 婚姻 to do with evening?
 * Ceplm (talk) 16:16, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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