Talk:Traditional chiefs of Palau

RfC about the capitalisation of Palauan chief titles
Should Palauan chief titles be capitalised when not used before a person's name? Sahaib (talk) 09:22, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I cannot find any prior discussion on this. Nor is there any indication that WP:RFCBEFORE has been exhausted; so why have you gone straight to a full-blown thirty-day formal RfC for what appears to be a small matter? -- Red rose64 &#x1F98C; (talk) 12:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * this is my first RfC and I checked MOS:CAPS and could not find anything. This is not a small matter I have created several articles about Palauan chiefs such as Yutaka Gibbons, Ibedul succession dispute and this article, I have changed the capitalisation of the titles in the articles back and forth which is time consuming. The main newspaper in Palau Island Times, Palauan dictionaries (see the wiktionary article ) and French Wikipedia (see Ibedul) capitalise them in certain ways, so this topic is quite complex and it would be good to reach a consensus with more than one or two editors one way or the other. Sahaib (talk) 12:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * See MOS:HON. You could have asked for help at WP:TEAHOUSE, or at WT:ROYALTY, or asked for clarification at WT:MOSCAPS. But even if all those failed, you should certainly have started a discussion here, waited for other people to comment and also reach deadlock before reaching for WP:RFC. Small matter or not, RfC is a process of last resort, used when all other methods of settling a dispute have failed. -- Red rose64 &#x1F98C; (talk) 13:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * MOS:HON was not helpful as this RFC is not about its use as a honorific or style of nobility e.g. Ibedul Yutaka Gibbons, it is about its use as a noun such as Yutaka Gibbons was the ibedul/Ibedul of Koror. Sahaib (talk) 13:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is still not an RfC matter. Please don't abuse process. -- Red rose64 &#x1F98C; (talk) 13:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment, I have moved this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters. Sahaib (talk) 14:21, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I found this MoS which regulates this matter. Offices, titles & positions are capitalized only when followed by a person's name to form a title per MOS:JOBTITLES. So for example in the article shall be, e.g.:
 * In December 2023, Ibedul (or Chief) Alexander Merep officiated a new museum in Palau.
 * In January 2024, president of Mongolia met with ibedul (or chief) of Palau in Ulaanbaatar.
 * Chongkian (talk) 03:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)