Talk:Traditional music of Galicia, Cantabria and Asturias

Original Article Galician music
Where is the original article about the Galician Music? , Spaniards and Asturian always crushing Galician past and its culture.

We hate you more and more Spaniards, leave us alone

Article removed from Good articles
I can see a deep ideological tension running through this article. The result is confusing and quite poor. Also it seems to be mainly about Galician music, where Asturian music is like a footnote to it. They do not even mention the Asturian "First Dance" ("danza prima" sorry, I do not know how to translate it better). That is a dance Romans already said old Astures (B.C.) use to dance : all of the dancers forming a circle and taking the next person's pinky finger. While they dance they sing simple melodies with a main singer singing first an the rest of the people repiting his verses like a choir. This is an alive tradition, specially in Saint John's day when people make big bonfires and dance the "danza prima" aroung the fire to celebrate the solstice. That is just an example.

- With all respects for Cantabrians, their music shouldn't appear in the group of Galician and Asturian music, because it's note the same thing.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.154.36.60 (talk) 00:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

This article was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because not comprehensive, poor referencing

This article suggests that the traditional music of Galicia is “Celtic”, implying affinity with the traditional musics of Scotland and Ireland. Readers should be aware that most scholars are likely to consider this poppycock. Galicia is not in any real sense “Celtic”, and its traditional music (as opposed to modern folk-pop music) is much more fundamentally related to that of other parts of northern Iberia than to that of Ireland, Scotland and Brittany.


 * I think I have made this more clear. Remember, you can be bold in updating pages. Tuf-Kat 23:12, Feb 26, 2004 (UTC)

Sep 3, 2004 - Dear Tuf-Kat... I don't really think you've made this any clearer; I think you've just restated your "Celtic origins" theory, which in my view is unfounded, a sort of modern myth closely associated with Galician nationalism (with which I have no problem per se). I would suggest the following wording for the first paragraph of this article...
 * Galicia is the most ancient Celtic sites in the world, what scholars are saying (Galicia is celtic, but not Spain)

The traditional musics of the northwest Spanish regions of Galicia, Asturias and Cantabria are not really “Celtic” in any strong sense: in fact, these musics are most closely related to the other traditions of Castille and northern Portugal, and their “celticness” is in large measure a latter-day romantic invention. However, it is worth noting a) that much Galician and Asturian traditional music is dominated by bagpipes, and b) that much modern Galician folk and folk-rock is strongly influenced by Irish traditions. Certainly, Galicia is nowadays a strong player on the international Celtic folk scene; and as a result, elements of the pre-industrial Galician tradition have entered the modern Celtic folk repertoire and style.


 * Northern Portugal was part of Galicia and also was Celtic, Asturias was not Celtic Galicia who was radiating its culture (and proven)


 * Well, you can't start an article be explaining what the subject is not, but I have used most of your paragraph as the first in the article. Tuf-Kat 15:40, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

>> you can't start an article by explaining what the subject is not

... unless its inclusion in the category in question is of doubtful validity :) I've taken the liberty of inserting a version of the first paragraph closer to my original, though worded to make clear that some people think Galician traditional music to be more Celtic than I do. And I leave the final wording to you: I promise not to touch it again :) Sep 6


 * I'm satisfied. Tuf-Kat 15:31, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)


 * Delisted from Good Articles because it's very insufficiently referenced and missing a lot of important information (essentially nothing not about a subset of folk music). Tuf-Kat 02:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Phoenician rowing songs?
Please, can anybody justify this? It sounds as whimsical as the Celtic theories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.79.87.84 (talk) 12:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Gaita description
So, the article says that "It is also possible to close the thumb hole with the little finger of the right hand, thus creating a semitone below the tonic." As a piper, I assume the author meant to say tone hole (the lowest holes on the chanter, not used outside of extended practice) or the actual end of the airway itself, since the thumb hole would already be closed in this case.. I don't know how this applies to the gaita, however. Am I right about this? --MatthewLiberal (talk) 22:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right. I've corrected that. --Xosé (talk) 21:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Castile
Mentioning Castile's music among the Galician and Asturian ones is a great mistake. And it is not true. Same with León. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caghulo (talk • contribs) 22:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is the same as León? Leons music has much in common with Asturias musics, and in some parts (bierzo) with galician Music. Leon and Asturies even share its ancient language (asturleones)!!

Cantabria is the one which has less in Common. Until 1975, Cantabria was Castile. It was just separated from Castile because it was quite difficult to make such a big administrative region. But Cantabria is more Castillian than Leon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.221.121.135 (talk) 10:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Ampliating History section
I wrote some more interesting information, curiosly avoided when talking about celtic influences. I cannot understand why other peoples of Spain insist in denying some parts of galician history. I'm sorry I forgot signing in my last coment.--Caghulo (talk) 22:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * because Galicia can discover its history and the old history, much older than Spain, Galicia if it is Celtic, Galicia was one of the ancient Celtic world countries, many scholars believe is the oldest and the origin of the Celtic culture, Many people complain of Galician nationalism but worse Spanish nationalism that has erased the history of Galicia and especially denied (as the Kingdom of Galicia), They even have hit all kinds, including the recovery of the Galician Celtic language of Galicia, everything bothers them especially the Spanish and Asturian http://celticmythpodshow.com/blog/rebirth-of-the-gallaic-goidelic-language/

Article naming and overall escheme
I know this article as a whole doesn't do much sense at all in the first place; it would be simplier to have separate articles for Galician and Asturian music. But if you want to keep this article like it is, at least do some of the following things:

-Renaming it. Galician and Asturian music are kinda similar in lots of ways, but Cantabrian is not, really. So I kinda see why you grouped Asturian and Galician music in the same article, but Cantabrian is kinda odd;

a) Just Galician and Asturian music (in order of importance as a region), or Asturian and Galician music (alphabetically) b) If you really want to keep Cantabrian music in, at least rename the article to "Galician, Asturian and Cantabrian music" (in importance, relation and geographical order -the one with most sense-) or "Asturian, Cantabrian and Galician music" (alphabetically). I don't get at all why tf is Cantabrian in the middle.

As a side note, Galician and Asturian music (not Cantabrian) sure have Celtic influence (especially since recent times), but they are not Celtic by any means. They have Celtic influences, of course, but their roots don't actually come from ancient Gallaeci or Astures. And I am not a "southern Spanish nationalist demon" or something. I'm from there, I love our music, I love when our music appears in Celtic festivals in Brittany or New York, but it is what it is.