Talk:Tragic villain

What a shame!
It pains me to see this article is only a stub. For centuries, the concept of the tragic villain has dominated works of art and encroached itself into the human psyche. It deserves more attention due to its undeniable importance with regards to literature, theater and other forms of entertaiment. Aikaterinē 00:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

The War

 * Comment I just deleted Penguin as he's a Batman character. The Phantom of the Opera is from a play, Darth Vader is from a movie, I think we should also have some comic book villains such as Lex Luthor, Magneto, or Dr. Octopus, and also Frankenstein and Dracula as they are from novels and are very historic examples of this archetype. ZimmerBarnes 23:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)ZimmerBarnes
 * Comment Callisto would also be good to keep as she is from a television series. Should there also be some section on real-life tragic heroes or would this be too presumptuous and controversial?


 * I'm not sure of the rationale behind deleting characters because of the medium (i.e. comic books, plays, film, etc.) Zahir13 22:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I going to do it on the peaceway. To Apostrophe: Why did you start the fight? It's why for you lost the deletion-nomination. Killerman2 12:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "What part of WP:NOR, WP:V, and WP:NPOV do you not understand?" ' 14:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why was the characters thier before? Killerman2 15:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why is this relevant? '

Deletions?
I don't understand. Why should characters from films be deleted from this article? Zahir13 01:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Read. "ANY AND ALL "EXAMPLES" MUST BE CITED, PREFERABLY BY SOURCES WITH SOME KIND OF AUTHORITY ON THE CHARACTER." ' 02:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Sylar (NBC's Heroes)
This character epitomizes the tragic villain.
 * I'm sure you have something besides your own opinion to back this up. ' 22:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course
 * Sylar is a tyrannical monster who often toys with his victims about the fact that he is not only prepared but actively enjoys killing and dissecting them for a genetic abnormality over which they have no control. He rarely regrets this, and save for one dramatic event in which he laments killing his mother and has the whole "Who am I/ Why do I like murder so much" he in no way exhibits any kind of tradegy. If he was gaining power to avenge a fallen loved one, he would be a tragic villain. If he exterminated the mutant race because he felt they were responsible for the death of a loved one, he would be a tragic villain. Insanity, power complexes, and the inabillity to do other than murder are not reasons to brand a killer a "tragic villain". If they were, then we may as well add The Terminator and The Predator to this list.

Yeah, pretty sure Sylar doesn't think he's doing the right thing. I would categorize him as more power hungry and evil than tragic. 72.148.51.63 04:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)