Talk:Trail mix

Müsli
To me, it seems there's an obvious connection between gorps and müsli. This doesn't seem to come up on WP either way, and of course would require some source to cite. Müsli pretty clearly predates any recent origin offered here and would hopefully put that ridiculous surfer claim to rest. 84.248.106.251 (talk) 12:13, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Problem with a source
I found that the first reference article plagiarizes this Wikipedia article significantly, yet it is being cited as a source for this article. So in effect, this article cites itself as a source. I added the "Citations Missing" tempate to this article. -Rhrad (talk) 15:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not? Everyone knows that Wiki is the absolute source of information on the planet - just think how much time it saves Nobel laureates doing critical research...to have it now self-referencing makes it even more useful by saving all that time checking sources - what's the reference for this crap? oh it's the crap itself, so it must be right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.129.224.141 (talk) 08:56, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Gorp vs. Trail Mix debate
Is "Gorp" really more commonly said than "trail mix"? Where? I've never heard anyone use the former term, though I've seen it occasionally on packages containing (only!) raisins and peanuts, never as a generic term. I'm an American, for the record. --anon. 20 July 2004
 * seconded. Trail Mix is all I've ever heard, except on that SNL sketch (which they found it necessary to explain what GORP meant)
 * Shall we move it then?--Kross | Talk 23:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I have always called it Gorp (growing up in New England). I found this page based on a workplace argument which this entry thankfully helped me win. I vote to keep it as Gorp. If Gorp isn't the most common name, it should be. What the heck is "trail mix"?
 * Growing up in Toronto, Ontario, and having backpacked across Canada, I have never once heard the term "gorp". This is the first I've seen.  I always used "trail mix".  Perhaps this is a case of dialectal variation.  I vote for "trail mix" because the words are more recognizable, even if the meaning is not to everyone. Queerwiki 06:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Growing up in California (60's, Boy Scouts, Sierra Club), I've heard both. Usually they're considered distinct, though the distinction varies: sometimes "it's only gorp if it includes M&Ms" and at other times "trail mix is a commercial term, gorp is what you mix up yourself."  I always say "gorp," because it's fewer syllables, I love M&Ms, and I'm hippie enough to distrust commercialism ;-)--Jackr


 * Growing up in Kansas, it was always called "gorp", but I believe "trail mix" is the more widely used term. Today I call it trail mix, never gorp. I've never heard it called "California mix" (and I now live in California), can a source be sighted? Another example of Californians trying to claim everything as their invention ;)

The comment (added anonymously in Revision as of 21:01, 25 September 2005) about "a neighbourhood in the village of Hilvarenbeek" seems unrelated. If there's some suspicion that the food derives its name from the place (or from an underlying meaningful word), that should be made clearer. Otherwise, isn't this just a case for a "disambiguation page"?--User:Jackr

Then it's decided, I'll redirect it to Trail Mix. Almighty Rajah 20:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Gorp should not have been copy/pasted into the Trail Mix article, that's what the move option is for. Once the article is moved then Gorp should automatically redirect to Trail Mix. --68.174.89.189 21:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wasn't logged in for whatever reason. I'm listing the Trail mix article for speedy deletion, once that happens this page can be moved properly. Worst comes to worse I'll ask an admin to help with the move. --ImmortalGoddezz 21:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I moved the talk page from Talk:Gorp to Talk:Trail Mix (this should have been included with the move but oh well), just a little thing. --ImmortalGoddezz 21:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, I remember it was always called Gorp when I was growing up (in Colorado and Utah). I concur with the statement above that Trail Mix is the commercially made kind (frequently contains ingredients not as readily available around the home, such as rice crackers and more exotic dried fruits). --Logotu (talk) 22:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I just found that UK military rations are officially called Operational_Ration_Pack,General Purpose (ORP,GP), does anyone know of any connection?213.212.75.70 (talk) 14:40, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

My understanding of the word is completely different from what's listed here. Gorp was always used as a category of food which might simply be defined as "snacks for hiking/canoeing/etc" of which "Trail Mix" was a part. Other items including cookies, gummies, chocolates, bars (granola/protein/etc), and dried fruit were under the gorp category. The word was only ever used in regards to trips where there was no home base (ie: camp grounds/trailer parks where you setup and do day trips) only those where you'd pack up your gear and move to a new site regularly. Otherwise "snacks" or "grub" would be used. JMJimmy (talk) 23:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Growing up in the 70s in both America and on visits to Canada all anybody called it was Gorp. Now no one says that. I don't know why the article associates the name with Girl Scouts. If you go back far enough everyone called it Gorp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.57.51 (talk) 09:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Gorp in Popular Culture?
I'm removing that section for stupidity. If you want to revert me, I guess I'll forgive you :).

Kaaos 16:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I'm proposing to merge the Scroggin article into this one. They're basically about the same subject.

We could add a paragraph in this article about the ethymology of the name.

What do you think ? --Luxem (talk) 08:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.149.188 (talk) 16:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

What the hell is Scroggin?
I'm an Aussie and I have never heard the term scroggin, is this some Southern State thing or just a Kiwi thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.81.18 (talk) 23:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Some Aussies know it : see a doc from the website of the Hornsby Heights Scout Group in Hornsby NSW. Does this still make it a "Southern State thing" ? --Luxem (talk) 22:10, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

"In New Zealand and Australia, trail mix is known as scroggin" If it is, then it's known as this by an exceptionally small number of Australians. I'm 50 and I'd never heard it until now. Even the Hornsby Heights Scout Group don't seem to call it that any more. I note that the citation used is from a site that discusses "international English from a British viewpoint". I wonder if the author also believes in drop bears? --AussieLegend (talk) 17:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * A new edit added some references for the use of scroggin in Australia. To have any credibility the claim requires references from reliable Australian sources confirming that we call it scroggin here. I haven't found any. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I am removing the dubious tag once again. The book that I've just added is cited in the National Library of Australia's printed 1994 bibliography, written by an Australian, is about an Australian walking club, and published in Australia. The Bushwalking Victoria society also uses the term scroggin on their website. Alternatively there is a mention in National Geographic Society about scroggin being Australian but I do not have access to that archive to confirm the entire source. --ImGz ( t/c ) 19:38, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I've added a ref that details the NZ and Australian etymology of the word... Hack (talk) 08:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Removal of dubious was, once again, premature. The main issue that I have is the implication that in Australia we use "scroggin" instead of "trail mix". None of the references so far provided support that claim. Yes, it is a word. The Ozwords reference dates its use to 1940 in New Zealand but to only the early 1980s in Australia. There certainly seems to be some use of the term in Victoria based on the sources. I opened a discussion about this at WP:AUSTRALIA and responses to date support this. There is some anecdotal evidence that it's been used in South Australia as well. However, there's very little, if any, evidence to suggest that it's widely used anywhere in the remaining 67-75% of the country. The National Geographic reference (a US one at that) is about architecture, not food. There are some references to scroggin on scouting websites but that again is no indication that it's widely used, only that it might be widely used within the scouting movement. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:07, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm also a 61 year old Aussie and only heard about Scroggin for the first time last week in Wellington NZ on holiday. I have brought back some Cadbury Scroggin blocks for kiwis at my office. --MichaelGG (talk) 06:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm from Victoria and scroggin was the only word I'd heard for this until I came across this article. It seems to be fairly common parlance for bushwalkers around Melbourne. Though I was born in the 1980s so can't say what terms existed before then. --Jeza (talk) 13:06, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I am a 49 year old New Zealander, and have never heard the term scroggin used. I suspect that it may be a relict still found in parts of the South Island, where old English still exists. Having said that, the idea of a "trail mix" is new, so it would be odd if an old term was used for it.Royalcourtier (talk) 19:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Inaccuracy
The ingredients list states that it's minimum 3, but that's clearly inaccurate. The standard GORP, for example, is only raisins and peanuts, and serves the purpos4e quite well. The key (to my understanding) is that it needs to have at least one of the nuts-and-seeds ingredients and at least one sweet (generally a dried fruit). Mind you, I have no references for this thing. (anon) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.79.188.106 (talk) 18:33, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The table of potential ingredients lists almonds as nuts, which they are not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.26.60.65 (talk) 04:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Prunes?
I can't remember why I was looking, but I went in search of information about the GORP of my childhood, Granola Oatmeal Raisins and Prunes. That's what it always was for me, all throughout my formative years. Yet there's no mention of prunes anywhere; not here on Wikipedia, nor anywhere else that's readily searchable. How strange.

I remember the prunes dear readers. I ate everybody's prunes, because nobody else liked them, and then we went spelunking. Everybody in the group hated me for some reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pedant42 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Reese's Pieces
Could this be added to the ingredient list, separate from M&M? Miros1 (talk) 03:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)