Talk:Train Kept A-Rollin'/Archive 1

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French rock band, The Dogs, also covered this song. Look it up. I've never heard of these Aerosmiths. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.20.200.118 (talk) 06:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, it's not clear to me how this classic, much-covered rock song is so important to Aerosmith. HowardSelsam 03:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Because Aerosmith's version is the most well-known and proabably the most played. Is this song still a staple (or was it ever) in the other bands' setlists?  Do you hear any of the other bands' versions on the radio?  Because frankly, Aerosmith have been performing this song consistently on tour for the past 30+ years and Aerosmith's version has aired consistently on rock radio stations for 30+ years.  You probably can't say the same for the other artists. Abog 01:02, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Stroll On
Currently, the article claims that "Stroll On" and "Train Kept A Rollin'" are different songs. I reverted this change once, because the only written documentation I can find (visible at http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/scorch.asp?ppn=SC0006269) identifies one arrangement, with "Stroll On" only being an alternate title.

Is there any written documentation that identifies them as separate songs with separate copyrights? If the only written documentation says they are the same, that's what this article needs to say.Kww 05:10, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Jeff Beck wrote the riff for "Train Kept a Rollin'" as recorded by The Yardbirds. Compared to the original it sounds nothing alike. For some reason, most likely to take full composition credits, The Yardbirds decided to reuse the rhythm riff. The main riff used for the rhythm and the form of the lyrics (written to complement that riff) are the only similarities between the two. "Train Kept a Rollin'" is creditted to Tiny Bradshaw, Howard Kay and Lois Mann. "Stroll On" is creditted to Jeff Beck and Keith Relf. Two very different songs that sound very similiar.
 * I grant that there is a Bradshaw/Kay/Mann song. I have the Bradshaw, Aerosmith, and Dread Zeppelin recordings in my library. Unfortunately, I don't have the Yardbirds version in my library, and it's been a lot of years since I watched "Blow Up". The song I point at on Musicnotes is credited to Relf, Page, Beck, Dreja, and McCarty. I agree that it is a different, but similar work to the Bradshaw/Kay/Man song. My real question is: is it a different work than the Yardbird's version of TKAR? The arrangement indicates that it isn't different. If it is nearly identical, then neither the old version of this article or the new version is really right.Kww 08:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Download both of them and it will be clear to you that they are different songs.ufossuck 23:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The original, Tiny Bradshaw song is a jump blues, think Lucky Millinder or Louis Jordan. The lyrics are the same in the RnRTrio's cover, but the riff is less jump and more country. The instrumentation was countryish as well.JBDay 23:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * As explained in the song article, "Stroll On" is a remake of the Yardbirds' earlier "Train". —Ojorojo (talk) 16:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 10:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Dispute over song titles
I removed this:
 * this last statement is wrong. the sheetmusic for this song as found in http://www.sheetmusicdirect.com : http://www.sheetmusicdirect.us/search/productDetail.do?itemId=1000003984 is infact the song "stroll on" and NOT "train kept a rollin". ***

This should be worked out on the talk page instead of having contradictory statements in the article. When it has been settled, please pay a little attention to spelling and capitalization, so that it looks like an encyclopedia article. Chris the speller (talk) 05:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As explained in the song article, "Stroll On" is a remake of the Yardbirds' earlier "Train". —Ojorojo (talk) 16:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Grady Martin question
For some years now there have been people citing testimony or theories that Grady Martin and not Paul Burlinson played the lead guitar on The RocknRoll Trios recordings of many songs including Train Kept ARolling. This article would benefit from cited refs about this issue.____Design (talk) 07:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Grady info and refs added May 31, 2013. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Tiny Bradshaw recording
Since the infobox was added by User:Ojorojo in 2010 here, it's stated that Tiny Bradshaw's original 1951 recording was produced by Ahmet Ertegun and Jerry Wexler. Where is the independent confirmation of this? Ertegun and Wexler were working for Atlantic, not King - it's conceivable that a deal was done, but I'd like to see an independent reliable source confirming that they produced the record. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:37, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref added. Ojorojo (talk) 14:43, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks - but do the liner notes give any more details? Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * "The Train Kept A-Rollin' - Tiny Bradshaw (Bradshaw/Mann/Kay) Leslie Ayers, Lester Bass: trumpets; Andrew Penn: trombone; Ted "Snooky" Holbert: alto and baritone sax; Red Prysock, Rufus Gore: tenor saxes; Jimmy Robinson: piano; Clarence Mack: bass; Phillip Paul: drums. Produced by Ahmet Ertegun & Jerry Wexler. Recorded Cincinnati, Oct. 6, 1952  [sic].  King single #4497, Dec. 1951"  The narrative says it was recorded in 1951, but does not provide any more details about the song (just a little about Bradshaw's career). Ojorojo (talk) 16:21, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Birnbaum doesn't mention Ertegun's or Wexler's involvement. Perhaps this is a typesetting error, like the 1952 rec date.  Maybe leave this field blank until another RS is found? -Ojorojo (talk) 15:37, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No further info on production credit. Left field blank with hidden note. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Songwriting
Although the Johnny Burnette and later versions credit Bradshaw, Mann (= Nathan) and Howie Kay, the original Tiny Bradshaw version only credits Bradshaw and Mann. The text needs to be clarified to make clear that although most versions credit three writers, Bradshaw's original only credited two - as is evident from the label shot. I have no idea why that is so, and no idea who Howie Kay was. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)