Talk:Trams in Olsztyn/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Pi.1415926535 (talk · contribs) 01:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I'll take this review. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Infobox and lede

 * The lede should be expanded a bit - it should be a summary of the major points of the article, including the history, network, and rolling stock.
 * further one under construction and one planned 1 additional under construction. The planned line can be added once it's actually under construction.
 * Same with the other two uses of "further" in the infobox - I'd replace them with "additional"
 * The infobox is the only time that "LRV" is used instead of "tram". It should be consistent - either use "LRV" for any mentions of the modern vehicles, or just use "tram" everywhere. Either should be fine.
 * Move all history to the end of the lede, after the details about the network and rolling stock.
 * The infobox is the only time that "LRV" is used instead of "tram". It should be consistent - either use "LRV" for any mentions of the modern vehicles, or just use "tram" everywhere. Either should be fine.
 * Move all history to the end of the lede, after the details about the network and rolling stock.
 * Move all history to the end of the lede, after the details about the network and rolling stock.
 * Move all history to the end of the lede, after the details about the network and rolling stock.

History

 * Are any images available of the historic network?
 * Split the second sentence (The network was...) into two sentences.
 * Are there articles on any of the geographic points listed? (If there is an article on plwiki but not enwiki, ill can be used.)
 * Is any information available about the planning and construction of the current network and the new line? That section is rather short for GA quality.
 * This map makes it look as though the new line will have two services (4 and 5). However, that contradicts the Routes section of this article, which says that 4 is under construction and 5 planned. Again, some more detail here would be great.
 * September 2012, scheduled September 2012 and was scheduled
 * Is there an article about the Kortowo university to link to?
 * Wikilink Eastern Front (World War II)
 * This map makes it look as though the new line will have two services (4 and 5). However, that contradicts the Routes section of this article, which says that 4 is under construction and 5 planned. Again, some more detail here would be great.
 * September 2012, scheduled September 2012 and was scheduled
 * Is there an article about the Kortowo university to link to?
 * Wikilink Eastern Front (World War II)
 * Is there an article about the Kortowo university to link to?
 * Wikilink Eastern Front (World War II)
 * Wikilink Eastern Front (World War II)

Network

 * If possible, add a few sentences about the service: service frequency, stops (are they large stations, or just like bus stops?), and that the three services overlap for parts of their lengths. Also mention the total route length and number of stops, which are in the infobox but not currently in the prose.
 * ✅ with overlap, length, and number of stops. No information found for service frequency. With regard to stops (are they large stations, or just like bus stops?), images such as File:Solaris_Urbino_and_Solaris_Tramino,_MPK_Olsztyn_(23558212800).jpg show them to be bus stops, but it would likely be considered OR to state that, not to mention the verifiability concerns. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 03:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like there are timetables available on the operator website. Something like "each line typically operates on headways of 7.5 to 10 minutes on weekdays, and 10 to 15 minutes on weekends" would be fine.

Rolling stock

 * This section needs a paragraph of prose, not just the table. Some of that can be copied from the lede.
 * ✅ All current suggestions are done. Do you have any more suggestions for me? – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 15:36, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The history section says The depot is being expanded to store 16 additional trams. However, the 2022-2022 order only appears to be for 12 trams. Why the difference?
 * ✅ reworded

Other

 * Add translated titles for all Polish sources
 * Alt text should describe what's in the image for readers with visual impairments; it should not simply repeat the caption. See MOS:ALT.
 * Alt text should describe what's in the image for readers with visual impairments; it should not simply repeat the caption. See MOS:ALT.

Discussion

 * I found File:Brama pokrzyzacka w Olsztynie.jpg, an image of the old system from 1947, but I'm not sure where to place it because of WP:SANDWICHing with the infobox.
 * forgot to sign, pinging – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 15:23, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dudhhr Sandwiching between a thumbnail and infobox really isn't an issue any more - modern desktop browsers do a better job preventing sandwiching, the vast majority of desktop screens are much wider than they were when the guideline was introduced, and smartphone browsers display images above the text. I would recommend putting the image in, but won't hold you to it. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I've added it to the right, under the infobox. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 22:05, 13 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I've improved the lede and infobox. Regarding the history section, I could not find more detailed information about the system's construction. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 18:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Dudhhr It looks like the plwiki article has a fair bit of detail about the construction, including some citations. This article doesn't need that level of detail to pass GA, but I'd recommend using that as a base to expand this section to a few paragraphs. (I'm not sure whether you speak Polish, but Google Translate seems to do well enough if not.) Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I am unable to verify some of the information on the plwiki article because of inaccessible citations. I have asked for the sources on WP:RX. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 02:07, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I've expanded both Trams in Olsztyn and Trams in Olsztyn with information from the sources provided at RX. – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 18:29, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I've added a few more comments. Make sure to use done or similar to mark when you've completed a suggestion. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:32, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I have completed all of your current suggestions. Do you have any more suggestions to further improve the article? – dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 20:28, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Nothing at this time, looks good for GA pass. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:23, 18 January 2023 (UTC)