Talk:Trams in Sydney

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"Public opinion was fairly neutral about the retention of the tram network..."

Was this apathy because of lack of people using the tram network by that time? --ozzmosis 13:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Gee it's a suprise that the National Road Motorists Association supported doing away with trams, at a time when the roads were able to support more cars! Garrie 03:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Sydney route numbers
Note: Some one decided to add route numbers to the former routes. This is incorrect. Sydney Tramways did not use route numbers. Routes were only identified by the name of their termini. Some route destination blinds did have coloured symbols along with the name to allow the signalman to see at a distance what route he should set for the approaching tram, but never a number. The route numbers appear to have come from http://www.tundria.com/trams/AUS/Sydney-1947.shtml. This person made up the numbers to make his map legible and even notes this in the description. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew.geier (talk • contribs) 00:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

unreferenced tag
For a generally historical article the only reference is related to the future of Metro Light Rail. Surely someone has published information regarding trams in sydney, I am sure the various editors haven't all made this up. Garrie 05:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone have the map for the North Shore Tram lines? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.148.76 (talk) 23:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

A good Sydney Street Directory from the fifties (try Gregory's and Robinson's) will show the tram tracks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ron Howe (talk • contribs) 02:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

ANZAC Parade
Could somebody with access to the references cited on this page, provide some references for the public transport (espec. trams) comments on the Anzac Parade article? Currently that article is lacking ANY reference.

Thanks, Garrie 20:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Bunnerong power plant track link remnant
For any one that is interested there is still a remnant of tram line that runs over the top of what is left of the Bunnerong Power Station. It actually runs over the top of the Bunnerong PS tunnels that are still there. These tunnels were used for coal storage and a still accessible. I know I have actually been inside. But there is still a rail bridge for the tram and railline that is approx 1km long. This can also be seen on google earth maps. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. (talk) 03:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Western Routes
The Ryde Tram Route: From memory as a child in the first half of the fifties At the northern end of the old Gladesville Bridge trams diverted into their own way, running above parkland on the south-west side of Victoria Road to Gladesville Hospital.

Queuing for the Gladesville and also the old Iron Cove, Glebe Island and Pyrmont Bridges most of which could open for a ship or yacht in peak hour, caused increasing irritation as cars become more numerous.

Trams had right of way over cars, boats had right of way over the lot.

Construction of the new Gladesville Bridge started in 1959 and finished in 1964 but the trams were gone well before work started on the new bridge.

Recent additions
I have noticed that the article has been expanded recently and wonder if there are any references that we can add to the text to verify it. Also some of the information can be copied into the appropriate Sydney suburban articles with a main article link directing back to this article, like I have done in this article Watsons Bay, New South Wales. This would expand the suburban articles as well as increase traffic towards this article. ***Adam*** 07:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

If you're referring to my recent changes to the section on the North Shore tramways, I have to admit I didn't bother putting specific sources for all the dates etc, though I did add Mr Keenan's book on the subject to the list of references, which is where all the dates are from.Shrdlu junction (talk) 07:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's good, thanks. I might add some of the information you added to this article to the relevant suburban articles later on, that's if someone doesn't beat me to it. ***Adam*** 08:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Free use images and article at NLA
There is no mention of the strike that occured in 1908 - but here is an article with images that are free use that could be added:
 * SYDNEY TRAMWAY STRIKE.SauliH (talk) 16:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Image removals
Request or tag page protection (generic) Hpeterswald (talk) 07:03, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure why I removed this as I actually liked this photo. I may have meant to replace the photo with a better one from the same author but got distracted somewhere along the line. I have no arguments against this photo as it does add value to the article. &#42;**Adam*** (talk) 12:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Demise and closure
Isn't the real imperative for the closure that the system and vehicles were at the end of their economic life so a major reinvestment was required. At the time the motorbus had emerged as an alternative and it was simply "cheaper" to scrap the system. This was a global phenomenon, particularly in North America. The page on Melbourne trams says "Also, the infrastructure and vehicles were relatively new, having replaced Cable Tram equipment in only the 1920s–1940s." [Trams_in_Melbourne#Network_under_M.26MTB] Tjej (talk) 10:00, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Comparison with number of "trams" in Melbourne today
While somewhat interesting I think the comparison with the number of trams in Melbourne is simply misleading. A double articulated light rail vehicle is much larger than a Sydney tram (twice as large?). The comparison on maximum patronage is more interesting and pertinent - 405 m. vs 203 m. in Melbourne today. Tjej (talk) 10:00, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Intro
The opening concludes "It had a maximum street mileage of 181 miles (291 km), in 1923." Shouldn't this be better put "route mileage"? Maybe everyone reads it that way but my guess is that to the uninitiated they will think it refers to the track length. The [Trams in Melbourne] page has the same problem Tjej (talk) 10:00, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Dates?
If someone has the information to hand, it would be very helpful if the article could have some more dates. For example, a lot of the information about individual routes describe what they were like at a particular, but undefined, point in time. There is usually information about when they were closed, but there is sometimes no information about when they were built. Even when there are dates for individual lines, it's difficult to piece together a picture of the process of building and expansion of the network(s). I came here because I wanted to know whether the tram lines were already extensive south of the harbour (in the Inner West and East) before they were built in the north, but I came away none the wiser on that question. Thanks in advance to whoever is able to add this information into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.255.185.235 (talk) 05:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)