Talk:Trans-Mediterranean Renewable Energy Cooperation

Proposal to remove all the 'citation needed' statements from the article
I'd like to get rid of all the remaining statements in the article that are not supported by references. This is to help close out the entry over at the Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. The webmaster of the TREC site, User:Benderson2, has been active in contributing to this article. Wikipedia is usually suspicious of anything that sounds like advertising or promotion, and Benderson2's activities led to the COI posting. Since he hasn't been active lately, and User:Athaenara has reduced the promotional aspects of the article, I think we are close to a resolution.

The remaining problem is the unreferenced statements. I propose that those be removed. If references are found later, of course, they can be restored. Please comment. I also added a note about this over at WP:COIN. EdJohnston 19:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that they should simply be taken out. After being there for a long time, they were tagged six or more weeks ago.  If there were independent reliable sources for them, it is reasonable to presume that they would have been added by now.  — Athaenara  ✉  17:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Sahara Wind Inc
The following paragraph was added in five edits by 196.217.36.69: From the Sahara Wind Energy Development Project (www.saharawind.com) by Khalid Benhamou Managing Director of Sahara Wind Inc. and co-founder of TREC. Compared to Germany's 1900 hours of wind power production per year, a rather conservative average production figure in the Atlantic coastal Saharan region from Morocco to Senegal would be in the range of 3400 Full Load Hours due to the exceptional quality of the Trade Winds. To transfer the power from the region of Tarfaya, the northern part of this area, to the center of Germany for example, the length of a HVDC line would be 3500km (incl. 28km sea cable). For this case, the total costs of wind generated electricity from the Sahara desert delivered all the way to Germany are calculated to be 4-5 Eurocent/kWh. Thereof 0.5 Eurocent/kWh are due to the losses of 10% if done with a HVDC line of about 5 GW capacity. The local potential for capacity building and industrial synergies is also very appealing using newer energy technologies www.saharawind.com/dedicatedpapers.php.* This paragraph is interesting, but none of the Khalid Benhamou papers listed here (the link* was removed in the 5th edit) confirm what is said in the paragraph.

This from the top of the No original research policy page should help clarify the objective situation:

The mission here is to write a good encyclopedia article about TREC, not merely echo its own efforts on its website or the websites of its associates. — Athaenara ✉  02:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I propose to merge Desertec into this article as these articles are about the same thing. Beagel (talk) 09:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm the person who creared the Desertec article. Are you sure they are the same thing? I thought one was an organizatipon, while the other was a specific power plant proposal from that organization. If they are different, then please do not merge them. Both articles are pretty large in their own right anyway. Grundle2600 (talk) 15:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe Grundle2600 is correct on this. -- Kickstart70 - T - C 17:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The Desertec article contains an entire paragraph about non-Desertec stuff, which duplicates information contained in the present article. (Note the three bullet points in Trans-Mediterranean Renewable Energy Cooperation, which are duplicated exactly). It might be more logical to have a paragraph about Desertec in the present article, and make Desertec be a redirect to it. So I favor doing the merge. EdJohnston (talk) 19:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Support merge. In re duplication, all but one (the Robin McKie article) of the six references were copied directly from the TREC article.  — Athaenara  ✉  20:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Done 85.176.126.243 (talk) 14:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Benefits for North Africa?
I know older versions of the article pointing out the benefits for North Africa and the Middle East. Why did you deleted those parts? 85.176.126.243 (talk) 14:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)