Talk:Transmutator

In regards to the article on Transmutator that you have marked for deletion...this artist is listed on numerous underground and mainstream websites. There are entries for 3 different CDs at freedb, a full page on Last.fm, as well as entries on Music Brainz, All Music Guide and even Billboard. The artist has had at least one music video featured on Mtv (mainstream broadcast). Even though none of Transmutator's albums have reached gold status (as far as I'm aware), they have been featured on numerous comipilation albums and for doing hundreds of remixes. Furthermore, I do not understand why Wikipedia would even want to delete an artist's listing just because they are not well known/mainstream. Are you guys just hurting for disk space or what? --Zephyrxero (talk) 19:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of the sites you have listed (freedb, Last.fm, Music Brainz) in no way indicate notability; an Allmusic entry is useful as an indication of possible notability but does not make an artist notable by itself (the Billboard link is just a mirror of the Allmusic entry). If you are unfamiliar with Wikipedia's criteria for the notability of musical artists, you really should read WP:MUSIC. TheJazzDalek (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And all I'm saying is just because you and the other Wikipedia admins don't recognize a band doesn't mean no one else does. There have been 8 people to contribute to this article, so obviously it's not just some no name band. In this particular case they have had videos played on Mtv (aka a mainstream broadcast, as mentioned in the notability guide), but since it was back in the 90's, there's no way I can come up with a citation for such a thing. I really don't see the point of this ludicrous policy anyway, there is no merit to not listing every band that has ever existed IMO. If more than one person, that is not a member or family/friend of the band has heard of them...that's all the notoriety you should need. Is this what Wikipedia has come to? Are we so concerned with being respectable enough that people can cite Wikipedia as a credible source in a term paper (which will never happen...I'm sorry)? Or are we interested in collecting all the knowledge humanity has to share with one another? --Zephyrxero (talk) 21:48, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And exactly how would we be able to tell that the "more than one person" vouching for the band's notability (or existence) are not friends and/or family, or even a single band member with multiple accounts? TheJazzDalek (talk) 21:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well for one thing, simply having an All Music Guide entry should be enough sources to prove the band is worth an entry. Beyond that, if a user has more than 100 listeners on Last.fm this should also be a good enough indicator (for reference, Last.fm reports Transmutator as having 1,983 listeners). If all you really want are citations, these sorts of sites should be enough. --Zephyrxero (talk) 15:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to go about getting WP:MUSIC changed to include your criteria, then you need to start a discussion on its talk page and work on getting a consensus. If enough people there agree with you, then you're all set, Good luck. TheJazzDalek (talk) 16:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In this case, I think the merge is probably the best answer--Zephyrxero (talk) 18:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Merged. TheJazzDalek (talk) 21:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC)