Talk:Transport in Poland

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The following information has been moved from Poland article and should be incorporated here.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:13, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

In central - eastern Europe there is only one high speed rail line, and it's in Poland. It is called Centralna Magistrala Kolejowa (Central Railway Route) and links Warsaw from Cracow and Katowice. On CMK trains achieve speed 160km/h (some sections of rout permit to 200km/h, but rolling stock doesn't be adapted).

Different line with high speeds: During preparation is modernization Warsaw - Danzig - Gdynia line to speed 200km/h, and line Warsaw - Łódź to 160km/h (together with form Warsaw - Łódź agglomeration). In far plans is building new high speed line (300 km/h) from Warsaw to Poznan and Wroclaw with fork in neighbourhoods Kalisz. Line would have "Y" shape.
 * Warsaw - Kutno - Poznań - (Berlin) (140, 160 km/h)
 * Warsaw - Siedlce - Terespol - (Minsk) (160, 120 km/h) - during modernization to 160km / h
 * Warsaw - Puławy - Lublin (120, 140 km/h)
 * Opole - Wrocław (160km/h) and further modernized via Legnica to Hamburg.

Links: Passenger carriages: Gauge railways: Freight transports:
 * Group Polskie Koleje Państwowe SA
 * PKP Intercity - qualified passengers trains (express, intercity, eurocity, hotel and TLK)
 * PKP Przewozy Regionalne - regional passengers trains (normal and hasty)
 * PKP Warszawska Kolej Dojazdowa - suburban railway in Varsovian agglomeration
 * PKP Szybka Kolej Miejska - fast urban railway in 3City
 * Ełcka Kolej Wąskotorowa - Gauge railway in Ełk
 * Gnieźnieńska Kolej Dojazdowa - Gauge railway in Gniezno
 * Górnośląskie Koleje Wąskotorowe - Upper Silesian gauge railway
 * Gryficka Kolej Dojazdowa - accessible gauge railway in Gryfice
 * Kaliska Kolej Dojazdowa - accessible gauge railway in Kalisz
 * Krośniewicka Kolej Dojazdowa - accessible gauge railway in Krośniewice
 * Nałęczowska Kolej Dojazdowa - accessible gauge railway in Nałęczów
 * Przeworska Kolej Dojazdowa - accessible gauge railway in Przeworsk
 * Rogowska Kolej Wąskotorowa - gauge railway in Rogów
 * Sochaczewska Kolej Muzealna - museum railway in Sochaczew
 * Starachowicka Kolej Dojazdowa - gauge railway in Starachowice
 * Śmigielska Kolej Dojazdowa - accessible gauge railway in Śmigiel
 * Średzka Kolej Dojazdowa - accessible gauge railway in Środa Wlkp.
 * Świętokrzyska Kolej Dojazdowa - Świętokrzyska accessible gauge railway
 * Żnińska Kolej Powiatowa - Żnin district railway
 * Żuławska Kolej Dojazdowa - Żuławska accessible railway
 * PKP Cargo SA
 * PKP Linia Hutnicza Szerokotorowa - Metallurgic Wide Track Line
 * Przedsiębiorstwo Transportu Kolejowego i Gospodarki Kamieniem Rybnik - The company of Railway Transportation and Management the Stone in Rybnik
 * Przedsiębiorstwo Transportu Kolejowego i Gospodarki Kamieniem Zabrze - The company of Railway Transportation and Management the Stone in Zabrze
 * Chem-Trans-Logistic Maczki-Bór
 * Kopalnia Piasku Szczakowa - The mine of Sand Szczakowa
 * Kopalnia Piasku Kotlarnia - The mine of Kotlarnia
 * Kopalnia Piasku Kuźnica Warężyńska - The mine of Sand Kuźnica Warężyńska
 * Orlen KolTrans - mainly transport the oil products of own production
 * Lotos Kolej - mainly transport the oil products of own production
 * Nadwiślanski Zakład Górniczego Transportu - Situated on the Vistula Institution of Mining Transport

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The text used in the introduction to the rail section has ceen copied from another webpage [see here. It also reads more like a travel guide than an encyclopedia. I'm making a note of it as I don't have time to change it right now. -- [[User:Adz|Adz]]|talk 03:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

high speed railway lines
In my opinion calling CMK "high speed railway line" is an 'abus de langage'. The commercialy exploited trains attain only 160 km/h which is not regarded as 'high speed' in none of western countries (for exemple German regional trains often travel at that speed), where only the lines permiting speeds over 200 km/h are refered to as high speed lines. "Some sections of rout permit to 200 km/h" actually refere to one section of length about 7 km, that in adition has nor cab signaling neither cattenary allowing commercial circulation at that speed. In fact, there are two reasons for calling CMK a "high speed line": i.) geometrical parametres of the lines (curves' radius before all) are similar to French LGV's, so potentially CMK can become a high speed line ii.) compared to whole Polish passenger railway system, where so-called "fast" and "express" trains rarely excede 100 km/h and offer commercial speeds between 60 and 80 km/h, the CMK can seem a very fast line, yet still it is not High speed line. For others, so-called high-speed lines: Modernisation of line Warsaw - Gdansk will increase speeds to 160 km/h on large sections (but not on the whole line) with some sections permitting 200 km/h but only for tilting trains. Modernisation of line Warsaw - Łódź to 160km/h - only some sections will allow that speed, it will mostly be 120/140 km/h.
 * Warsaw - Kutno - Poznan - Berlin: this line has a 140 km/h alowed speed with some sections permitting 160 km/h but there are some sections with lowered speeds as well,
 * Warsaw - Siedlce - Terespol - (Minsk): indeed, this line permits 160 km/h however there is only one train using this capability,
 * Warsaw - Puławy - Lublin: there is only a small section permitting 140 km/h, however like precedent, barely used
 * Opole - Wrocław: 160 km/h, no train traveling at that speed
 * Poznan - Wroclaw (not mentioned in article): 140 km/h on some short sections, not sure if any train uses this speed
 * Poznan - Szczecin (not mentioned in article): 140 km/h on one section (in one direction) not sure if used.

In overall the article suggests that there are some high speed lines in Poland, while in fact there are none and there will be none for at least next 10 years... Madcap pl 14:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Cites ??
What's wrong with 'town' ? Why it was replaced by 'city' ? For example: Tychy is not a city by any definition .... Jotel 20:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Who says this is a "premetro" line?
This article currently says:
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 * The most notable investments are Poznań Fast Tram and Kraków Fast Tram with the underground 1.5 km (0.9 mi) premetro section.
 * The most notable investments are Poznań Fast Tram and Kraków Fast Tram with the underground 1.5 km (0.9 mi) premetro section.

In my opinion the claim the line is a premetro line requires a reliable source. As of this writing almost all claims rapid transit lines are "premetro" lines are unreferenced -- and thus original research.
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I'll return to this article, after a reasonable period of time, and if the assertion is not backed up by sufficiently reliable sources I will remove it. Geo Swan (talk) 20:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Is this system a "premetro"?
The premetro article contained a great deal of original research, and characterized a large number of light-rail or streetcar routes as "premetro" systems for questionable reasons -- like that the light-rail or streetcar system had a short tunneled section. More recently the premetro article has been scaled back, to only include systems that verifiable authoritative sources have called "premetro" systems.

Unfortunately dozens of questionable incoming links were made to the premetro article, from articles like this one, that didn't supply any references that verified systems like this one had ever been called premetro systems.

I am going to place a dubious tag next to all questionable claims that provide questionable incoming links to premetro.

If no authoritative references ever called this a "premetro" system that phrase should be removed from this article, link and all. Geo Swan (talk) 18:06, 16 July 2014 (UTC)