Talk:Transportation in Canada/Archive 1

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I simply removed the statement that said that VIA Rail does not own its own trackage since as of 1998, they own 117 km of track between Montreal and Ottawa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.48.222.168 (talk) 04:17, 4 June 2004 (UTC)

History
The article seems very heavy on history rather than facts about Canada's transport system as it is today. Perhaps a separate article, "History of Transportion in Canada]] could relieve some of the mix and match feeling of the article? TastyCakes (talk) 20:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, most of this article was apparently written by someone who had just read some book from 1956. I think it requires a pretty good rework... 128.83.167.129 (talk) 00:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

17000 km of expressways in Canada
This fact might come from the CIA Factbook, but a simple look at any road atlas confirms there are nowhere near 17,000 kilometers of expressways/motorways/freeways etc. This fact might include a lot of major, 4 lane roads, mostly in the central and western provinces. Those lack grade-separated junctions, which is an absolutely minimum-design specification of a motorway. The true number of motorway-grade roads is near 5,800 to 6,000 kilometers. Chriszwolle (talk) 09:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well find the actual numbers and fix it... 128.83.167.129 (talk) 00:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Adjacent Countries
For the purposes of railway missing links, it is helpful to treat Alaska as a separate entity.

Tabletop 05:53, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I think the adjacent countries sections are pretty pointless. We can sum up the same thing in the actual article.  Also, the "proposed link to Russia" is actually through Alaska, so I fail to see how this would be an international link while Mexico and central America aren't. TastyCakes (talk) 17:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Freight vs Passengers
I think it would be good to draw a line between freight and passsenger transport somewhere in the article. Then break down how many passenger miles and tonne-miles are made by various forms of transportation for each. Does anyone know if/where that data might be available? Also, ridership rates of the metro systems and bus systems would be pretty illustrative, but I've been unable to find the numbers from a google search. Also, passenger volume data for the various big airports should be in here I think. It is in the "busiest airport in canada" article, but I thought I read that Calgary international now has more passengers annually than Montreal? 128.83.167.129 (talk) 00:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Anything specific to any 1 airport should be on that Airports Article not this (more general overview) Article, IMHO. Exit2DOS2000   •T•C•  02:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Calgary overtook Montreal in aircraft movements but not passengers. I've put the passenger table in the article.  TastyCakes (talk) 05:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Water section
I think the water section still needs some work... I haven't been able to find many good statistics on it, like what the busiest ports are etc. If we could find that I think that bullet list should be turned into a table similar to the busiest airport one I put in... TastyCakes (talk) 22:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Air Canada Logo
Can someone explain to me why the Air Canada Logo keeps getting deleted and other logos don't? If it's inappropriate to put company logos of the largest companies in a transport sector, fine, but why is Air Canada being singled out? TastyCakes (talk) 21:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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Transport vs. Transportation
In case there is any confusion, allow me to clarify Canadian usage. Transportation is the general-use term in most situations. This is used by almost all provincial and local governments, the press, and by the federal government in a variety of situations (see the official government dictionary here ) Transport is the name of the federal minister and his department, however it has not been so for very long. The government has conceivably done this because the English and French names of the department can now be pronounced almost identically (Transport Canada vs. Transports Canada), in line with changes to various departments and agencies since the Federal Identity Program was introduced (e.g. Parks Canada / Parcs Canada, etc.). Perhaps someday Canadian usage will evolve to reflect this governmental change, but it certainly has not yet. Therefore I am moving this page back to Transportation in Canada until evidence of a change in usage emerges (see Kiev vs. Kyiv). --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 04:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a controversial move, and should not have been done without consensus. Not two weeks ago there was a discussion about renaming the category, see Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 19 which decided to rename it Transport in Canada alone the lines of standardizing with this article (as it was then named).  Whether or not you're right, and my personal opinion says your not totally, this really needs to be discussed first.  I'd revert the move, but I'm not entirely sure how.  Ravendrop 04:37, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * As discussed in the CFD, the pages in question shall be named in lines with the related agency, in this case it is Transport Canada and the Minister's title. The others will remain at Transportation, unless their corresponding government department is renamed. 117Avenue (talk) 07:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * While I agree that this page should not have been renamed, I also need to point out that all that was decided on the individual province categories was that more discussion was needed. I expect to nominate those after the current nomination closes.--Mike Selinker (talk) 10:07, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

The problem, as I see it, is that one wrong change (changing the article's name), is now threatening to snowball by changing all of the related categories as well. I am looking a full discussion on what the name of the article is before we go changing all the categories. There is no record of a discussion on issue having taken place on this page, or any other place than I can see. I am hoping we can have such a debate, and that was my purpose behind being bold and reverting the name change. I'm sorry if this upset some people's sense of protocol, but I am trying to stop something that has already built a kind of deterministic momentum. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 09:26, 8 March 2011 (UTC)