Talk:Trapping

Reverts
I have reverted the attempt to incoporate text from animal trapping methods on the basis that the material needs lots of cleaning up first before being used anywhere, let alone tacked on here. Additionally it results in a long and unfocussed article. Even if it were cleaned up, I still think we have distinct topics that need separate articles.

I reverted replacement of leg-hold with foot-hold as the rational didn't sound right (the trap does after all actually grip the leg), and the history of recent edits from that IP address didn't inspire confidence (sorry for jumping to conclusions). I have now read many articles that use the term foot-hold, and acknowledge it is quite valid, but couldn't actually find a reliable source that explained the preference for one term over the other. I think we should at least mention both names and then be consistent throughout the article. --Tony Wills (talk) 10:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Tony, I think your experience in trying and failing to find a standard terminology for the "foothold/leghold" type of traps reflects a lack of standard terminology on the topic. I'll second the terminology "foothold/leghold" as used on this talk page by user "MikeHobday" on 6/20/2008. ScottS (talk) 18:16, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Cucuteni-Trypillian culture - first traps?
Needs a better cite for such a claim. At the moment we have:
 * "Ștefan Cucoș Faza Cucuteni B în zona subcarpatică a Moldovei Muzeul de Istorie Piatra Neamț 1999"
 * "Stephen Cucoş phase in the Carpathian Cucuteni B Moldova History Museum Piatra Neamt 1999"

I'm guessing that somebody saw some exhibit in a museum? We can do better than this I am sure. Kortoso (talk) 17:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Here are some decent sources for history of traps:

Siberian deadfall trap

http://outdoorselfreliance.com/happy-people-year-taiga/

A History of Fowling: Being an Account of the Many Curious Devices by which Wild Birds are Or Have Been Captured in Different Parts of the World, Hugh Alexander Macpherson: D. Douglas, 1897

Paiute Deadfall

Handbook of North American Indians: Great Basin, William C. Sturtevant, Smithsonian Institution, 1978

Survival Arts of the Primitive Paiutes, Margaret M. Wheat, University of Nevada Press, 1967

Evidence of Neaderthal string-making in conjunction with small-game remains

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379113003788

Impossible Neanderthals? Making string, throwing projectiles and catching small game during Marine Isotope Stage 4 (Abri du Maras, France), Bruce L. Hardy, Marie-Hélène Moncel, Camille Daujeard, Paul Fernandes, Philippe Béarez, Emmanuel Desclaux, Maria Gema Chacon Navarrob, Simon Puaud, Rosalia Gallotti Kortoso (talk) 17:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Deadfall
Suggesting the following text as a replacement:
 * A deadfall is a trap used to drop a weight onto a prey animal and crush it. The type of weight used may vary, but it should be heavy enough to kill or incapacitate the prey immediately. The figure-4 deadfall trigger is constructed using three notched sticks. These notches hold the sticks together in a figure-4 pattern when under tension.
 * Source: FM 3-05-70: Survival (US Army Handbook) Kortoso (talk) 18:03, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 3 June 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 12:00, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

– Primary meaning. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 01:40, 10 June 2015 (UTC) Srnec (talk) 22:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Animal trapping → Trapping
 * Trapping → Trapping (disambiguation)
 * Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, WP:CONCISE. Khestwol (talk) 13:23, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. bd2412  T 13:43, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support Red Slash 07:34, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Support – Clear primary topic. 01:59, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Would this move have an effect on the remit of the article? It currently contains scant reference to Bird trapping and no reference to content such as Fish trap, Crab trap or Lobster trap.  GregKaye 06:49, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We may have to expand this article's scope a bit after the move. Khestwol (talk) 07:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Ooh, definitely. Good point Red Slash 23:26, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:CONCISE, it was not even necessary to be relisted. Cavarrone 08:49, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I know; I mistakenly relisted it, not knowing the consensus. That was careless of me. --George Ho (talk) 23:59, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


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Gin trap
Although Gin trap redirects here, there is no mention, let alone explanation, of that term.

Google tells me that the term is also used to mean
 * 1) a machine for separating cotton from its seeds.
 * 2) a machine for raising and moving heavy weights.

I don't have knowledge of the subject to be able to add anything more constructive than the results of 5 seconds of google search, but this appears to be a notable gap in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.237.176.7 (talk) 07:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

more detail on leg hold traps needed
This subsection leaps right from a brief mention of traps from 1600s-1800s, then jumps to apparently recent modifications. It could use more historical detail and more detail about how the devices work from a mechanical viewpoint. Apegrrl (talk) 02:00, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

American focus
The 'fur clothing' section is currently focused entirely on a relatively brief period in history and on North America. Since trapping for fur has been done all over the world since before the beginning of human history, it would be great if someone knowledgeable could expand or generalize this. Cloudspert (talk) 15:38, 4 June 2018 (UTC)