Talk:Travel/Archive 1

Wikitravel
Why would you take out the Wikitravel link? It seems pretty useful seeing as how this is 'wikipedia'. Also, why would you leave in something so useless as "In The Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan, to Travel or Travelling refers to using a gateway or "fold" in the pattern created by the One Power to move from one place to another." It's comments like this that make Wikipedia feel like an pop-fiction fan-index instead of an encyclopedia. -Hamburgerhat So, I took out the external link to Wikitravel. I didn't think it was particularly useful on this stub, and I personally didn't like the appearance of low-class hit-mongering. If this becomes a real serious article about travel, well, probably a discussion of or link to Wikitravel would have a place in it. For now, until this article takes on a real shape, a single extlink just seems kinda opportunistic. --ESP 16:37, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

might be interesting to add space travel eg per journey the space shuttle was fantastically risky but by passsenger mile, less dangerous than motorbikes http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2278382/Why-blasting-space-shuttle-safer-walking.html

Credit card advice
I have worked at hotels for many years. Travel today is a real problem for many people. The staff at many hotels and airlines have little knowledge or interest in the problems faced by travelers. The way companies mishandle credit card information is alarming. This wiki page would be good to give a broad outline of advice to travelers. I started with some hotel and credit card/check card advice etc. Hopefully, people will add more advice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Wikiversity
can the template be added ?

scholarly approaches
Arsennik, you need to read the research on which D-F's statement builds: James Buzard and Tzvetan Todorov are accepted authorities in the field of travel theory. His statement simply builds on theirs. It is scholarly synthesis, not metaphor. Have you studied their approaches to the problem? On what other scholarly authority are you proceeding? 86.139.108.172 (talk) 21:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC) Ohnoitsjamie, if you want to revert, pleese give reasons beyond 'does not belong in article'. Are you basing your reversion on any established set of ideas about travel? 86.139.108.172 (talk) 22:46, 28 November 2008 (UTC) Nobody responded to my queries asking them if they actually knew anything about the cultural theory of travel, and Ohnoitsjamie admitted he only reverted cos other people did; so I'm going to go ahead and write some stuff about definitions of travel that will improve this article.86.139.108.172 (talk) 19:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was Keep. — V = I * R  (talk) 16:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Travel → Travelling &mdash; This article clearly deals around the act of travelling, rather than the journey. As such, I propose a move of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.80.56 (talk • contribs). 07:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * "Travel" can refer to the act of travel(ling). I see nothing in the article which suggests a move is required. Knepflerle (talk) 08:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I see no problem at all with the current title, and using "Travelling" or "Traveling" is likely to provoke regional English variation edit wars until the end of time. --DAJF (talk) 08:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. See travel: "1. The act of travel(l)ing". Jafeluv (talk) 08:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose Unnecessary. Semantics. -- &oelig; &trade; 05:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose Unnecessary per above; see a dictionary. --Cybercobra (talk) 03:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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Quote
Can the quote: The World is a book, and those who do not travel read only a page. -Saint Augustine be added ?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.80.56 (talk) 06:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes
Northamerica1000 (talk) 14:49, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Can the website: arriendo de buses be added? (This is a Chilean company which offers buses to travellers who go to Chile.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.162.142.164 (talk) 18:36, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

MISSING: Survival in/against Water, Human Swimming, Travel swimming
This is a multiple post to Human swimming, Travel, Survival skills.

- Water kills. The human being who can't can't get out of the water eventually and certainly dies from in it. Depending on circumstances, death occurs due to drowning asphyxiation, hypothermia, impact trauma (in fast moving flood or river water), and occurs long before any serious risk of dehydration, starvation, exhaustion, and with enormously higher probability than due to predation.

- Swimming is a key survival skill in almost all incidents involving people entering water while alighting a disabled vessel or aircraft or falling accidentally in it from land, especially while in motor vehicles. It is also an essential rescue skill, and as such a prerequisite for several rescue-related professions.

- Travel is done by swimming with perhaps surprising frequency. Consider J.F. Kennedy and his sailors swimming island to island (not to mention his brother's claim of leaving Chappaquiddick by swimming), innumerable migrants swimming across rivers and straits, cases of political refugees swimming in the Baltic Sea, and many instances of people jumping in the water and swimming ashore from vessels not intended to reach land where they planned to go. Swimming travel is even featured in a recent motion picture "Welcome". http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1314280/

Spamhog (talk) 14:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Posted external links template is inappropriate, there's only one external link in the entire article
The following template listed in the edit code of the Travel article should be deleted, it reads as:

PLEASE BE CAUTIOUS IN ADDING MORE LINKS TO THIS ARTICLE. Wikipedia | is not a collection of links nor should it be used for advertising. |                                                                    |           Excessive or inappropriate links WILL BE DELETED. | See External links & Spam for details. |                                                                    | If there are already plentiful links, please propose additions or   | replacements on this article's discussion page, or submit your link | to the relevant category at the Open Directory Project (dmoz.org)  | and link back to that category using the template. |

There's only one link in the external links section of the article, which certainly isn't "excessive". When high-relevance links to unbiased, objective websites with minimal advertising are added, they are unfortunately being deleted under a generic rationale of "not meeting Wikipedia's external links criterion" or "failing Wikipedia's external links criterion", without further rationale provided. Ultimately, there's no rationale for deleting high-relevance links by stating that the links "do not meet" one of several criterion, while also ignoring the criterion for what constitutes good external links. Doing so is censorship.

While it's understandable to avoid links with high amounts of advertising, subjective data, irrelevant data, opinion, etc., the following links should be added, because the DO meet the criterion for good external links in Wikipedia articles:

*Fodors travel guide *Lonely Planet travel guide *National Geographic Traveler Magazine *Wikitravel.org - Wikitravel, a worldwide travel information wiki

Also, the only link in the article, * has many links to commercial sites, and is actually less relevant than the links above.

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There are two major causes of instruction creep: Northamerica1000 (talk) 14:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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References

Northamerica1000 (talk) 14:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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grammar
please add the word 'to' before the word 'become' to: "It's also advisable become oriented with the driving rules and regulations of destination countries." (btw, this advice also applies to 'origination' countries!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.251.136 (talk) 19:22, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2014
I saw this is interesting, these are the real tips for a traveler like me - thought I this can be given as a reference as this will help lot other travelers - Happy posting, Steve Gordan - http://www.travoline.com/travel-tips/

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49.206.34.127 (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is not a how to or a travel guide. Cannolis (talk) 17:22, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2014
May I suggest that this page read is the movement of people between geographical locations instead of putting between relatively distant geographical locations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sue afc (talk • contribs) 14:51, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

The link to the topic please....

 * List of travel magazines — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.11.177.54 (talk) 23:54, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2017
27.34.21.180 (talk) 11:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC) www.acetreks.com
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  12:56, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Columbus did not sail from England
Christopher Columbus sailed to the new world from England in 1492, an expedition which took over 10 weeks to arrive at the final destination

wrong! Columbus did try to get the english crown to finance him, but he was not succesful. If this sentence refers to his first voyage, then he sailed from Cádiz, Spain, if my memory serves. Sources should be found on the Columbus wiki page- under the subheading "first voyage". 2A02:A317:2247:200:F839:384F:6425:14F4 (talk) 10:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Fixed Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 13:31, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2018
change dead link "So Your Community Wants Travel/Tourism?" to https://conservancy.umn.edu/handle/11299/178439 Greyworldnomads (talk) 08:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:07, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Reference 1&2 are duplicated.
Can anyone else erase one of two references? The two references are same, and are duplicated. Take care. -₆₇₂₆₀₀About672599 (talk) 16:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Good catch, I'll keep the merriam-webster one. Funandtrvl (talk) 23:33, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I added holidays as a reason for what motivated and persuades travel. Feel free to add. ore or take it out. Mayapalikuca (talk) 00:51, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Geographic Types
I added a common example of travel types as tours. I then added a couple of examples of tours and cited them from the National Geographic. If you think this doesn't belong in that section please move it around. However, tours are a great example of geographic types of travel. Mayapalikuca (talk) 02:43, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Image
I changed the image in the beginning of the article by the meaning of travel to a more recent picture of a scenic travel area. Mayapalikuca (talk) 19:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2021
Lama massry (talk) 10:23, 15 August 2021 (UTC) traveling is also a self-discovery journey to find one's purpose and get to know one's self better
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Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
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Mountain Kilimanjaro
Visit in Tanzania 196.249.97.233 (talk) 03:56, 24 October 2022 (UTC)