Talk:Travel London

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Travel London rebranding
As most people will know, Travel London will be renamed in 2008, as part of the National Express Group's re-branding scheme. I believe that when the new brand has been established Travel London and National Express London will eventually become equally sized brands. Because of this, I have created a new stub article for National Express London.

The idea of this is so when the name change gradually takes over, the current operational details of Travel London can be transferred to the new article, and the Travel London page put into the past tense - as essentially it will be history!! This will avoid future problems like the old Travel London info being drowned out by the new info, or having an article that gets too long and therefore confusing.

This is why I have taken the new National Express logo out of the info box, and put the old Travel London logo back in. I have put the new national express logo onto the new National Express London article I have created.

Hopefully you can see the idea in this - to avoid any future problems and to make the two brands clearer to the reader if there are distinctive internal links between each article.

If you have any ideas or you wish to change it, me leave a message here or use my talk page. Thanks, -- Arriva436 (talk) 22:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Due to Transport for London buses being 'Red' the logo for National Express 'Buses' needs to change to fit in with Transport for London reguations {Ucebaggie (talk) 20:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)}.

Addresses
As mentioned on the National Express West Midlands page i am saying that Wikipedia is NOT a directory so addresses aRE NOT allowed Thanks...TOMBRANT407 (talk) 09:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Travel logo
Are they changing the logo at all? And if not is it worth mentioning in the article that the Travel London logo is an interlocked W and M which stands for West Midlands, taken from its former sister company Travel West Midlands? Beeurd (talk) 19:37, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No they're not changing it, because it and Travel Surrey were the only ones that hadn't rebranded into the new National Express scheme. The twin peaks logo is probably worth a mention, as long as it's not too elaborate. Arriva436talk/contribs 19:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

New name Abellio
After saying they would keep the old name, NedRailways have decided to rebrand Travel London and Travel Surrey as "Abellio London" and "Abellio Surrey". However, the website just shows Abellio, and the URL is www.abellio.co.uk. It also looks like the bus fleetname will be just "Abellio". I therefore suggest creating a new article called Abellio, where both the London and Surrey operations can be detailed, rather than moving. This is also because the Travel London name is very complex, with it appearing in London two times before dieing out, and only staying successfully on the third time. Moving will therefore just confuse the matters. Any other ideas? Arriva436talk/contribs 18:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I think we should move both Travel London and Travel Surrey to Abellio London and Abellio Surrey.C.bonnick (talk) 13:23, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


 * But that would just cause confusion. There are a number of reasons why I think a new article is more suitable:
 * The Travel London article needs more history details of the two previous attempts of running buses in London. While the first two tries are relevant to Travel London, they are not relevant to Abellio.
 * Equally, the future history of Abellio is not relevant to the old bits of Travel London.
 * The new website only carries one logo for Abellio (as opposed to thw two Travel London and Travel Surrey articles.
 * The pictures shown look like they only show the Abellio name properly (presumably the line below it will say "London" or "Surrey". This contrasts with the distinct separate brands of Travel London and Travel Surrey beforehand.
 * Therefore, a new article called Abellio will be able to have the Surrey and London operations together, rather than spreading it out, as it is all under the same legal address.


 * Also, by keeping the old article separate, we will be able to keep the defunct names focuses on National Express, (after all it is their naming scheme) as NedRailways only operated under the Travel xxxxxx name for a matter of months (and they took all the fleetnames off much earlier).


 * Because of this, for now, I have created a new article at Abellio (UK bus company). This will therefore detail the current operation, while the Trvale London info can be scaled down to avoid duplicating it all.


 * I did want to wait for further concencess, but as usual with these kind of things, some editors who have no idea what the are doing just go round making random changes, causing a mess and confusing the matter, which is what had happened by this morning (despite me trying to encourage discussion here - they ignored it). A good example of this is that someone moved Travel Dundee to National Express Dundee as soon as NatEx even hinted they were rebranding. The new Dundee name came in a year after, so the Wikipedia article was wrong for a year. This is the sort of thing I'm trying to avoid.


 * I hope this all makes sense...! <span style="font-family:Zapfino, Segoe Script;"><b style="color:#FF0000;">Arriva436</b><sup style="color:#800080;><b style="color:#800080;">talk</b>/<b style="color:#800080;">contribs</b> 13:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes it does make sense and I agree with you now that Abellio London does needs it's own page.C.bonnick (talk) 11:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)